Theatre shooting

[Cygnus X1]

Heard yet another forensic psychologist making the same point I brought up earlier.

Although there's no evidence in case, there is an ALARMING trend of senseless crimes brought about by psychotropic drugs such as Prozac, Ritalin, etc.
Nidal Hussan <sp>, Columbine kids, many more.

Now that is a cultural and medical professional problem that needs to be addressed.

I could go further and say choices of right and wrong, or being generally sociopathic are symptoms of the absence of religious guidance.
But then there would be the inconvenient fact of the many mass murderers and cannibals that firmly believe "Jesus told me to do it".

[Reeltarded]

I don't care why.

[Cygnus X1]

I don't care why.

Good point.
I feel for everyone affected, so I ponder.

[ToneMerc]

Heard yet another forensic psychologist making the same point I brought up earlier.

Although there's no evidence in case, there is an ALARMING trend of senseless crimes brought about by psychotropic drugs such as Prozac, Ritalin, etc.
Nidal Hussan <sp>, Columbine kids, many more.

Now that is a cultural and medical professional problem that needs to be addressed.

Bingo, I used to track this data at one time. In the very early 80's there began a paradigm shift of how the mentally ill should be cared for short and long term. The century old mantra of institutionalizing individuals became archaic and there was a move to integrate the mentally ill back into the community or keep them within the community, on medications.

Here lies the part of the problem, in most cases it's up to the individual to to take the medicines. Take your medicines daily and you can function normally, but if you stray from your schedule, the issues begin. I've seen kids that behavior shifts when missing just daily doses.

Also, some of these anti depress/psych dugs have adverse side effects and there are still mysteries as to how these drugs interact with each individuals chemistry and other drugs.

Worst case, the police are called and when they charge or make a menacing motion towards the officer, they are shot and maybe killed. All of a sudden it's the PDs fault, it's not like the mentally ill have a brand on their forehead. However, it the last decade the way they PD's handle the possible mentally ill has improved somewhat.

HIPPA laws, not gun laws need to be changed to better protect the public.

TM

[LeftyStrat]

The sad part for me is I have this friend that has spent a fortune on guns and thinks somehow he is safe. When I called him on his fallacy, he presented a video that suggests the crime rate in Switzerland is so low because everyone there owns a gun. Not sure if he got that from NRA propaganda, because the lowest intentional murder rate is Japan. Switzerland falls right in around Bahrain.

But this whole fallacy of if everyone owned a gun there would be no crime is sort of like saying "If we gave every nation nuclear warheads and intercontinental ballistics, we would achieve world peace."

And every adult owning a gun won't do shit for my three year old.

[Big Jim]

I am a medical proffesional. I see thousands of patients every year. I frequently review what meds they are on, both in and out of the hospital. I will say over the years you begin to see behavior patterns and trends. I am not even talking about the extreme cases that we deal with in the Emergency dept. I think the overuse of prescription drugs is accelerating this countries social decline. I also have an interesting saying that I made up. "The patients likelyhood to complain and be demanding, is inversely proportional to their ability to pay their hospital bill. Nuff said. Rant over.

[NickC]

The sad part for me is I have this friend that has spent a fortune on guns and thinks somehow he is safe. When I called him on his fallacy, he presented a video that suggests the crime rate in Switzerland is so low because everyone there owns a gun. Not sure if he got that from NRA propaganda, because the lowest intentional murder rate is Japan. Switzerland falls right in around Bahrain.

But this whole fallacy of if everyone owned a gun there would be no crime is sort of like saying "If we gave every nation nuclear warheads and intercontinental ballistics, we would achieve world peace."

And every adult owning a gun won't do shit for my three year old.

Not meaning to be argumentative ........ however ........

The Swiss Army is a militia composed of citizen soldiers. They receive military training and are issued a personal weapon they keep at home. That is why there are as many guns in Switzerland as there are. The remainder of Europe has extremely stringent gun control laws.

I am 57 years old (young?); have lived in seven of the United States, traveled most of the contiguous states, as well as other places in the world. I have never heard anyone say, anywhere, at any time that "if everyone owned a gun there would be no crime". A gun is a tremendous responsibility. Not everyone wants, nor should, take that on. When we started our family I disabled my gun, it has stayed that way for a quarter of a century now. If and when I get a functioning firearm it will go into a gun safe.

Equating a gun with atomic weapons and ICBMs ......... and thinking that all nations are honorable and wouldn't use WMDs ....... is naive. No offense intended. But think about it, a gun can't vaporize a city from a continent away.

[Reeltarded]

Lefty, all we are saying is that if all good people had a gun in their pocket, more bad people would die before using all their ammo.

You can't stop violence.

I believe you Jim. I have really good reasons to believe you. I know a pair of near 50 year old sisters who get around 5k a month in assistance, and maybe 1200 of that is hard drugs. They smoke cigarettes and watch Jerry Springer reruns all day every day, then drive cars they can't afford high on shit that would put us in prison.. yet they only get probation extensions 6-7 times a year. Shoplifters too. Entitled and acting every bit of it.

[Big Jim]

Reeltarded,
You are picking up what I'm putting down brother. It's sickening. We all have our vices, but let's at least try to fend for ourselves for cryin' out loud.

By the way, I like the way the Swiss approach firearms. They have 'em, the take care of 'em, and they practice with 'em. Shooting sports are big there. They also make great guns...I have a K31 carbine...my favorite long gun I own. It sucks that a few "people" for lack of a better term, abuse our gun rights. Maybe it's just the law of averages that because of the population growth, that more and more "defectives" are emerging. I doubt this scumbags parents would have expected him to do such a thing. I surely don't have the answer. Tragic.