If you were going to build two Dumble clones at once...

[Structo]

I think the later ODS amps are similar enough in tone that I would probably build a high plate Skyliner/ 6L6 and then a early generation amp such as #40 that would have a contrast in tone.

As long as I am dreaming I would love to build one of each generation on up to current architecture.

[LeftyStrat]

I think the later ODS amps are similar enough in tone that I would probably build a high plate Skyliner/ 6L6 and then a early generation amp such as #40 that would have a contrast in tone.

As long as I am dreaming I would lover to build one of each generation on up to current architecture.

This is what I have decided on. The first clip was of a seventies style, and the second clip was based on #183.

Here's the scheme I was planning on using for the 70's Dumble build:

https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.php?t=398

Sort of seventies with upgrades/tweaks.

[Structo]

That is a low plate classic I believe.

Probably from when there was a lot of guessing going on.

The only thing that stands out to me is the 500pf snubbers on V2.

[LeftyStrat]

That is a low plate classic I believe.

Probably from when there was a lot of guessing going on.

The only thing that stands out to me is the 500pf snubbers on V2.

Thanks, a little more digging and I found the #40 schematics. I see a lot of differences.

What's with the "Accent" switch, haven't seen that before.

[Max]

Thanks, a little more digging and I found the #40 schematics. I see a lot of differences.

2nd generation (#040 is a 2nd generation ODS) layout: https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.php?t=12870

Cheers,

Max

[LeftyStrat]

Thanks, a little more digging and I found the #40 schematics. I see a lot of differences.

2nd generation (#040 is a 2nd generation ODS) layout: https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.php?t=12870

Cheers,

Max

Thanks Max, I was still looking at the wrong files.

[Luthierwnc]

Do a little research here too:

https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.ph ... 2nd+hybrid

This is closer to the one I just made. You can have the exact #40 and some worthwhile add-ons too. FWIW, sh

[LeftyStrat]

Do a little research here too:

https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.ph ... 2nd+hybrid

This is closer to the one I just made. You can have the exact #40 and some worthwhile add-ons too. FWIW, sh

Thanks, this looks really good.

How do you like your build? I may be mistaken, but it seems the earlier Dumbles are a little more aggressive and loose, the later models being more refined. Of course I guess it could be the player or the settings.

Of course I may be over-thinking things. Carlton could probably make the loosest Dumble sound refined, and Jimi could probably make the most refined sound loose and aggressive.

I can't imagine what sounds Jeff Beck could coax out.

But us lesser players probably need to start with something close to the tones we like.

Which is funny, when I was much younger, my rig consisted of an Ampeg VT-22, the original Big Muff, Analog Deluxe Memory Man, and EH Clone Theory.

People would come up after a gig and tell me I sounded like Robin Trower, who I was never really influenced by.

[Max]

You can have the exact #40 and some worthwhile add-ons too.

I have my doubts. IMO - that is of course based on my personal perception and taste - it's rather unlikely that an ODS with a precision power supply and a ratio pot, as in this "hybrid", will sound and feel like "the exact #40" . But of course such a hybrid may deliver exactly the tone and feel its builder likes best - just as it should be - at least IMO.

Cheers,

Max

[talbany]

You can have the exact #40 and some worthwhile add-ons too.

I have my doubts. IMO - that is of course based on my personal perception and taste - it's rather unlikely that an ODS with a precision power supply and a ratio pot, as in this "hybrid", will sound and feel like "the exact #40" . But of course such a hybrid may deliver exactly the tone and feel its builder likes best - just as it should be - at least IMO.

Cheers,

Max

+1 Don't forget OD entrance network..

Tony

[LeftyStrat]

You can have the exact #40 and some worthwhile add-ons too.

I have my doubts. IMO - that is of course based on my personal perception and taste - it's rather unlikely that an ODS with a precision power supply and a ratio pot, as in this "hybrid", will sound and feel like "the exact #40" . But of course such a hybrid may deliver exactly the tone and feel its builder likes best - just as it should be - at least IMO.

Cheers,

Max

So, Max, based on your experience, what Dumble would I like? I almost exclusively play a Strat. My earliest influence was Hendrix. Both his clean rhythmic playing, and his magnus opus, Machine Gun.

David Gilmour is another player I love. I love his ethic of making the solo an extension of the meaning and feeling of a song, rather than a chance to show off your chops.

Hearing Jeff Beck do "'Cause We've Ended as Lovers" had a profound effect on me. It completely changed my approach to playing.

I have always approached every amp and effect as an instrument in it's own right. I'm willing to take the time to "learn" this new instrument. "Harder to play" is no big deal to me. Otherwise I wouldn't play a Strat .

The amp I am building for a friend should be the opposite, easy to get a couple of good sounds out of and he's done.

[talbany]

Hearing Jeff Beck do "'Cause We've Ended as Lovers" had a profound effect on me. It completely changed my approach to playing.

If it Helps!!
My 102 circuit w/ Music Man Iron Jeff Beck Strat
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Tony

[LeftyStrat]

Tony, I'd like your input as well. So far the Dumble tones that most rocked my boat was your KT88/124 amp.

I want Little Wing/Castles Made of Sand cleans, and for OD, the fuzz face I never found.

[talbany]

I want Little Wing/Castles Made of Sand cleans,

Poster child tones for a Marshall..
So there will be some compromise...For me and if you want to build an an earlier style ODS the low plate classic is very versatile clean side and leads me in that direction more so than any other earlier ODS's, however a bit cleaner and more Fendery which can still be a beautiful thing..BTW The 88 amp has a classic stack.. https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.php?t=12872

If you like more breakup in your clean tones you can build a Bluesmaster.. The OD in the BM is also for me more Marshall/ Fuzz Face like than the low plate classic OD which is smoother and more compressed..

I thought for years my Dumble style builds could someday replace my old Marshalls..I gave up trying..

Hope this helps..

Tony

[LeftyStrat]

I want Little Wing/Castles Made of Sand cleans,

Poster child tones for a Marshall..
So there will be some compromise...For me and if you want to build an an earlier style ODS the low plate classic is very versatile clean side and leads me in that direction more so than any other earlier ODS's, however a bit cleaner and more Fendery which can still be a beautiful thing..BTW The 88 amp has a classic stack.. https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.php?t=12872

If you like more breakup in your clean tones you can build a Bluesmaster.. The OD in the BM is also for me more Marshall/ Fuzz Face like than the low plate classic OD which is smoother and more compressed..

I thought for years my Dumble style builds could someday replace my old Marshalls..I gave up trying..

Hope this helps..

Tony

Thanks, Tony. There is so much wisdom in your words. I keep trying to reproduce the Germino Club 40, nailing it, and selling it. Perhaps I should stop trying to get the cheerleader to go to the prom with me, and realize that Mary Anne is my true love.

This is a clip by Emerson Swinford, and just defines beautiful guitar for me. This is a Germino Club 40:

http://www.germinoamps.com/audio/tribute.mp3