Holy crap

[70sSoundQuality]

I started this post in the "dumble overdrive special" thread, but I decided it would be more appropriate to start a new thread about this. I really didn't know where to put this, so I apologize to the mods.

......they about double every 5 years.....

Not likely that this is even close to accurate. 7 years ago they were going for $1500 or so, today $20K. The likelyhood that this will continue is tiny, in fact I believe they will go down in value in a few years when the market is flooded with Fuchs/2Rock etc.

Nice amp, but it's not an investment. JMO

20 K today???
As in, 20 thousand single dollar bills?
Wow. I am sincerely shocked. I paid $100 or so for a 1960's point-to-point Bogen tube amp with NOS tubes. The amp has ZERO problems (no hiss, buzzing, scratching) and it has all the luscious FAT vintage mojo a human being could ask for from a tube amp (think Hendrix, '70s Didier Thibault tone) so I'm wondering why people would pay such a price?
I am just wondering why people value these amps so much? Holy crap, even vintage Neve 1073 mic pres (just about the best mic pres in the world) go for about $5000 a piece. How could people pay 20k for this dumble overdrive special?
Even, if like bob is saying, the amp goes down in price through the years (maybe to $10,000?) isn't this still ridiculous? This to me just seems like those childish adults who paid thousands of dollars for tickle me elmos ...hype all because of a stupid label.
I am in no way targeting the dumble amp. But the greatest tones in the world - Hendrix - came from cheap tube amps (relatively cheap). Now I guess people are paying 10s of thousands of dollars for these great amps and I'm wondering, why haven't I heard an amazing David Gilmour-like tone yet from anyone?

[Icetech]

I find it silly myself, BUT if you have 20k to spend on a amp.. that 20k doesn't mean much to you:) (thats like half my yearly income)

I think its mostly guys buying into the mystique... that clip i heard of the fuchs on youtube the other day sounds just as good as any dumble i have heard.. and the dumbles are buttugly (sorry but true)

As for tone with cheap amps and such... After years i realized that tone comes from the person.. not so much the gear.. i have seen amps that sound like complete ass being played by 1 guy, sound amazing played by another....

So no matter how close of a SSS people build... they will never sound like SRV:) and all the plexis in the world won't make someone sound like jimi... that shit flowed through him into the guitar. and i don't think we will see anyone play like that again..

20k though.... hmm.. pay off a car... have some money in the bank....

[Bob-I]

20 K today???

Silly isn't it!!

.....But the greatest tones in the world - Hendrix - came from cheap tube amps (relatively cheap). Now I guess people are paying 10s of thousands of dollars for these great amps and I'm wondering, why haven't I heard an amazing David Gilmour-like tone yet from anyone?

I agree. I like the Dumble sound but I also build really cheeply, mostly transplants into cheep old amps. Many of the cheep amps that folks play are modded, so what's different?

BTW, many of Gilmore's great tones, as well as the Beatles tones, were recorded direct into the board.

[Bob-I]

..... and the dumbles are buttugly (sorry but true)

No... my amp is butt ugly.

[Darkbluemurder]

Since I have never seen or played a real one I cannot comment on whether the price commands are justified or not. The only sound clips I heard were from Jason Barker's site (www.steelbender.com). I thought the D-clips sounded outright muddy and awful. Every other clip on the site sounds better to my ears. Great site BTW.
Even if you take a BF Bassman, mod it and account for the value loss due to the mod it's a much cheaper way to do.

[Icetech]

Even that peavey is prettier than a D:)

[Pete]

I always thought (from what I've heard) it was started by a few rich collectors in japan. People who may or may not know how to play an E chord but admire the piece for whatever reason. (same as with vintage Fender/Gibson guitars)
Then there is the Stradivarius concept, players wanting the quality but the quantity is limited. my 2 cents

I started this post in the "dumble overdrive special" thread, but I decided it would be more appropriate to start a new thread about this. I really didn't know where to put this, so I apologize to the mods.

......they about double every 5 years.....

Not likely that this is even close to accurate. 7 years ago they were going for $1500 or so, today $20K. The likelyhood that this will continue is tiny, in fact I believe they will go down in value in a few years when the market is flooded with Fuchs/2Rock etc.
Nice amp, but it's not an investment. JMO

20 K today???
As in, 20 thousand single dollar bills?
Wow. I am sincerely shocked. I paid $100 or so for a 1960's point-to-point Bogen tube amp with NOS tubes. The amp has ZERO problems (no hiss, buzzing, scratching) and it has all the luscious FAT vintage mojo a human being could ask for from a tube amp (think Hendrix, '70s Didier Thibault tone) so I'm wondering why people would pay such a price?
I am just wondering why people value these amps so much? Holy crap, even vintage Neve 1073 mic pres (just about the best mic pres in the world) go for about $5000 a piece. How could people pay 20k for this dumble overdrive special?
Even, if like bob is saying, the amp goes down in price through the years (maybe to $10,000?) isn't this still ridiculous? This to me just seems like those childish adults who paid thousands of dollars for tickle me elmos ...hype all because of a stupid label.
I am in no way targeting the dumble amp. But the greatest tones in the world - Hendrix - came from cheap tube amps (relatively cheap). Now I guess people are paying 10s of thousands of dollars for these great amps and I'm wondering, why haven't I heard an amazing David Gilmour-like tone yet from anyone?

[Noel Grassy]

20 K today???
As in, 20 thousand single dollar bills?
Wow. I am sincerely shocked. I paid $100 or so for a 1960's point-to-point Bogen tube amp with NOS tubes. The amp has ZERO problems (no hiss, buzzing, scratching) and it has all the luscious FAT vintage mojo a human being could ask for from a tube amp (think Hendrix, '70s Didier Thibault tone) so I'm wondering why people would pay such a price?

I am in no way targeting the dumble amp. But the greatest tones in the world - Hendrix - came from cheap tube amps (relatively cheap). Now I guess people are paying 10s of thousands of dollars for these great amps and I'm wondering, why haven't I heard an amazing David Gilmour-like tone yet from anyone?[/quote] That's so cool to read! I have a similar Bogen I modded,1-6V6,2-12AX7,1-5Y3 platform if I remember right and that puppy is racked for respect from my associates but all-in-all, there's no fatter,singing sustain,& articulate little SE available IMHO. I think there's more of an issue related to disposable income! To help ease this may I suggest members of this group contact me for an even better tax write-off! In the same vein, the NY Times said there was an enormous surge in $100 million & up grants going to Ivy League schools this past year. My abacus doesn't even have that many zeds on it. Mostly though, it's what one finds their tone to be. I don't know if Dogears would think my Bogen was so bitchen with his articulate and well refined judgement. My ears have long since passed their "golden" moments and I think I am delighted by more pedestrian amplification when the whole package [guitar,amp,speaks] is gloriously pumping.Those moments usually cause me to abandon my critical state for the "inspired" musician part of me. Although now I have alotta issues with the speaks being produced. As they get more R&D devoted to them, it's a small few that will work with certain amp and cab combinations I use. Older Jensens consistantly sound "right" in any 6L6 or 6V6 based amp. But they'll soon all be re-cones if not pooped out old speaks.[50's & 60's period Jensens of course] They sellection of "right" pre-Rolas have dwindled to that area above nada. Oh yeah, I'm waiting on a pair of Tone Tubby hempcones speciffically for my 6G6-A Bassman. There aren't any I can test at the local music emporiums, to their fault. I'll let folks know what my impressions are.