I was comparing the Wreck values to the Fender AB763 values on the Duncan tonestack program.
They both have the mid dip at the same frequency, the exception being that the wreck values had more dB gain. Does this dB gain make that much of a difference?
Thanks
Rob
Q regarding Wreck tonestack
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Re: Q regarding Wreck tonestack
Good question. What happens here (TW) is that as you increase the bass the gain increases dramatically. In the Fender the bass gain is 1/4 of the TW. So the TW is more dynamic I suppose, but then there is that treble blending thing that is kinda odd. Here I mean that if you turn the bass control to 500K and the treble control to 500K on the TW, this is a very different effect sonically than on the Fender running its controls at 1/2 value.
...In the Fender, for example, the treble cap is 125K away from the next tube stage and the TW is still 500K away. That's pretty different sonically and it just gets more differnt as you lessen the numbers. For example, if the TW has the treble pot set at 1/4 on, this means the treble cap is 940K ohms away from the next stage. The Fender is only 210K away (175K with a period correct pot). This is a huge difference in treble response, not to mention the value of the treble cap itself, 250pf vs 500pf.
Does this help? IMO, the TW treble pot is very critical to the TW tone stack working like KF intended. And here I think a quality 30% taper is a must have - NOT the 10% crap that is available today. Here, if the treble pot was turned to say 12 o'clock, the next stage would only be 700K away, not 940K. This is a big deal, and if you think that you can find those little increments on the 10% taper pot, have at it. Once you hit 12 o'clock (100K) the rest of the taper comes on like gangbusters, getting to the last 900K in less than 1/2 a turn. It doesn't make for a very smooth and easy treble adjustment, not by any means.
Eh, sorry to bore you. I am really looking hard at the TW tone stack right now, that's where I'm at. The tone stack software that you are looking at is actually kind of goofy realtive to an acccurate hands on period correct tone stack of either manufacturer, that's my point. You see the gain and the freqs, but can you actually turn some knobs and hear the things as they should be?
Oh, short answer to your question? Yes. In dbs, sure, and then in more ways than db alone because of the differences in the tone control adjustment - something your tone stack software can't really show you.
...In the Fender, for example, the treble cap is 125K away from the next tube stage and the TW is still 500K away. That's pretty different sonically and it just gets more differnt as you lessen the numbers. For example, if the TW has the treble pot set at 1/4 on, this means the treble cap is 940K ohms away from the next stage. The Fender is only 210K away (175K with a period correct pot). This is a huge difference in treble response, not to mention the value of the treble cap itself, 250pf vs 500pf.
Does this help? IMO, the TW treble pot is very critical to the TW tone stack working like KF intended. And here I think a quality 30% taper is a must have - NOT the 10% crap that is available today. Here, if the treble pot was turned to say 12 o'clock, the next stage would only be 700K away, not 940K. This is a big deal, and if you think that you can find those little increments on the 10% taper pot, have at it. Once you hit 12 o'clock (100K) the rest of the taper comes on like gangbusters, getting to the last 900K in less than 1/2 a turn. It doesn't make for a very smooth and easy treble adjustment, not by any means.
Eh, sorry to bore you. I am really looking hard at the TW tone stack right now, that's where I'm at. The tone stack software that you are looking at is actually kind of goofy realtive to an acccurate hands on period correct tone stack of either manufacturer, that's my point. You see the gain and the freqs, but can you actually turn some knobs and hear the things as they should be?
Oh, short answer to your question? Yes. In dbs, sure, and then in more ways than db alone because of the differences in the tone control adjustment - something your tone stack software can't really show you.
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Re: Q regarding Wreck tonestack
Thanks for your response.
That's exactly the answer I was looking for.
Rob
That's exactly the answer I was looking for.
Rob