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Phil_S
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Re: New project calculation help

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Yes, choke input does two beneficial things from a spec point of view: voltage drop and current increase. According to the Hammond "help" sheet, FW choke input is .45x secondary input to the rectifier and 1.54x current.

There are lots of great old ~800V transformers floating around on eBay that you can buy for a song. Many of them have a current rating that is too low for our general needs, 80-100mA range. Not having the right kind of background and experience, I'm having some difficulty understanding what application these PT's were intended for. If you can tame an 800V secondary to 300-350VDC and squeeze out 100-120mA, you've got what you need for many lower power PP guitar amplifiers. The remaining challenge is finding a choke with an adequate mA rating that won't break the bank. I've gathered anything from about 4H to 20H will do the job.

From time to time I troll eBay for old iron, but I rarely buy anything because my general rule, a price limit of about $20 (+/- depending on exactly what), including shipping. I figure I won't get hurt for $20 if I get a dud, which happens every now and then, like that nice $10 choke I bought that turned out to be 15H 20mA, not 200mA, LOL. OTOH, one time I scored a Stancor 4H 250mA that I'm saving for something I build with 6L6 or EL34 tubes. In any case, there are several appropriate Hammond chokes in the < $30 range, so this isn't something that will break the piggy bank given what you can save on a PT.

Of course, none of this addresses issues of tone. :o
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Re: New project calculation help

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Yeah I'm kinda curious how a choke input would change the sound. You'll have to let us know if you end up building it that way.
I'm having some difficulty understanding what application these PT's were intended for.
My guess is they were intended for medium power audio amps. Back in the days when big capacitors where expensive/unavailable and iron was cheap, using the choke input was pretty popular from what I've read. That and before SS rectifiers you of course had the capacitor limit of tube recto's. So if you wanted heavier filtering than was available by that cap limit using a choke input was a nice way to get around that.
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Re: New project calculation help

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I decided to play safe and bought 4 chokes (~$5 each). I have a few PT's that are in the 360 to 400 per side range that I'd like to tame. These are all rated 120mA to 200mA.

While I was at it, a couple of nice OT's -- Stancor A3304 (10K/7K, 4-8-15-500, 25W), and one from a Pilot AA-903 (6V6's to 4-8-16, haven't yet tested for primary, 15W). I think, given the size of the Pilot (it dwarfs the Stancor), it must be good for at least 25W in a guitar amp, but I'm not sure I'd go for much more than 20W on the Stancor. The Stancor book says 60mA. Since these are hifi, guitar will allow more!

The Stancor has endbells with holes in both the side and the bottom. I moved the wires from the side to the bottom. It was a little creepy opening those 50+ year old bolts. I'm pretty sure they last saw wrench/screwdriver at the factory.

4 chokes on the left and 2 OT's on the right. Going across:
Top row UTC 81854 (12H 125mA), Thordarson T19C42 (12H 200mA, big), Pilot OT
Bottom row Thordarson T5319 (8H 120mA), MIL/CET W1631 (8H 150mA), Stancor A3304
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