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Soapbox rant: Standby switches

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The new Premier Guitar, Aug '25, p.80, reinforces all the nonsense about the usefulness of standby switches. This article isn't available on the web site yet, so I've pasted the text below. First though, is my rebuttal, which I sent to info@premierguitar.com:
Rebuttal to “Are You Using Your Amp’s Standby Switch Correctly?”
Premier Guitar, August 25, p.80

The standby switch in guitar amps is often misunderstood, and its role is frequently overstated. Consensus among amp historians is that Leo Fender incorporated the standby switch concept from RCA tube manuals for high-voltage RF transmitters operating at 1,000V+, where cathode stripping was a real concern. In contrast, guitar amps run at much lower voltages—typically around 400VDC—and use indirectly heated cathodes (e.g., 12AX7, 6L6, EL34), which are not vulnerable to cathode stripping.

In twelve years of amp building and over one thousand repairs, I’ve found standby switches to be a common point of failure. Nearly all amp manufacturers use 250vAC-rated switches to break 500vDC or more (for example, Music Man and Ampeg SVT). This causes arcing and pitting inside the switch, leading to bacon frying sounds, and eventually, switch failure.

Cathode stripping is supposed to cause tube performance to weaken. I have never encountered a power tube (or set) that was weak. They tend to fail like light bulbs, burning out. Or they arc internally, making frightening noises, and often fail spectacularly, burning up supporting components.

Guitar players are trained to expect the standby switch, so modern amp makers include them. But the more enlightened builders are switching the cathodes, shorting the control grids to ground, or choosing other other means of silencing the amp, without switching high voltage.

I advise my clients to leave their standby switches in “run” mode and leave them there.

Further reading from the wizard, Merlin Blencowe: https://valvewizard.co.uk/standby.html

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...and here is the article:

Are You Using Your Amp's Standby Switch Correctly?
by George Aleswsandro

"To standby or not to standby," that is the question.

Are you using your standby switch correctly? Are you sure? It might be a little different than you think.

You have your on/off switch and, well, that makes sense. But standby? Okay, well, what is the flip side? In a tube guitar amplifier, it is "play." Isn't the flip side of "off" also play? Why are there two switches that do basically the same thing?

Vacuum tube amps are a very old electronic technology, and there is a specific function for each of the two switches. The on/off switch controls power to the entire amplifier by switching the line voltage on or off to the power transformer. The power transformer is the distribution hub for the ene: zy inside the amp. If your amp doesn't have a str dby switch, then once you switch it on, all the energy is on inside the amp all at once. This isn't a good thing for vacuum tubes. They need to warn up before they can function, which is why y get no sound from a tube amp when you firs urn it on. Tubes only need about 45-60 seconds co warm up to function, but they do sound different and "better" once they get up to operating temperature. This can take five to 1o minutes, and once you actually start playing the amp and they get cooking, even more time to get that tone!

So the standby switch has a few functions. At cold start up, it allows the tubes time to warm up before applying the high voltage to them to oper-ate the amp. While the amp is at operating temperature, if you are taking a break, it allows the amp to also take a break while maintaining operating temperature. And at the end of the session, it allows you to discharge the energy inside the amp.

Here are the times you'll use that switch:

Cold start. With the standby on, turn the power switch on. Allow the amp to warm up for a minute, then flip the standby to "play" position. There is no issue with waiting more than a minute, but shorter is bad. There is this thing called cathode stripping that happens when you apply voltage to a tube before it is fully warmed up. In between sets or just taking a break. You probably know how hot your amp gets when you're jamming away. This is okay; tubes run on high temperatures, but all the other parts inside, not so much. So, give the amp a break. When you're taking a break, switch to standby position. This keeps the tube warm but allows the entire amp to cool down. This also takes the high voltage off the circuit, so the parts' life clock is put on hold, too. If you're going for a long break, an hour or more, you can do a full shutdow and start from the cold-start procedure. Othe wise, you're just wasting energy heating the tub and the heaters do have a life span.

Shut down. So far, it's likely everything sems obvious. But here's where people can get it wrong: It's the end of the night, and you're drained and done. Well, your amp wants to be too! Shutdown is a slightly different procedure than taking a break and allows the amp to drain all its stored voltages. After that last note, flip that on/off switch onto the off position. You can audibly hear the energy drain out of the amp as the last of the high voltage is dissipated by the tubes trying to operate, because the standby switch is still in the play position. The off position shuts down the heaters inside the tubes and the high voltage, so the last of the energy stored by the caps can drain out while the tubes are still hot. When you hear the last of that sound dissipate, the voltage inside is drained, and you can put the standby switch onto standby. Now, the amp is ready for the cold start up procedure.

What about amps that don't have standby switches? They don't need it. The Princeton Reverb, for example, doesn't have a standby switch, but it does have a 5AR4 rectifier tube. The 5AR4/GZ34 tube has a controlled warm up. While the tube is cold, it will not pass high voltage for a set amount of time, about 45 seconds. This controlled warm up allows all the tubes in the amp to get warm before the high voltage comes on. So, it does the waiting to go from standby to play for you. You don't have the take a break option anymore, so it is best to shut it down when taking long breaks. It automatically does the cold turn on and aforementioned shut down procedure.

But if your amp has a standby switch, use it!
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You might also have mentioned the cathode poisoning that will shorten tube life with the use of standby switches.
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Most modern tubes only last a month... or less, sometimes.

NIMBY!!

STAND BY! STAND DOWN!!!
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xtian wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:12 am The new Premier Guitar, Aug '25, p.80, reinforces all the nonsense about the usefulness of standby switches. This article isn't available on the web site yet, so I've pasted the text below. First though, is my rebuttal, which I sent to info@premierguitar.com:
Rebuttal to “Are You Using Your Amp’s Standby Switch Correctly?”
Premier Guitar, August 25, p.80

The standby switch in guitar amps is often misunderstood, and its role is frequently overstated. Consensus among amp historians is that Leo Fender incorporated the standby switch concept from RCA tube manuals for high-voltage RF transmitters operating at 1,000V+, where cathode stripping was a real concern. In contrast, guitar amps run at much lower voltages—typically around 400VDC—and use indirectly heated cathodes (e.g., 12AX7, 6L6, EL34), which are not vulnerable to cathode stripping.

In twelve years of amp building and over one thousand repairs, I’ve found standby switches to be a common point of failure. Nearly all amp manufacturers use 250vAC-rated switches to break 500vDC or more (for example, Music Man and Ampeg SVT). This causes arcing and pitting inside the switch, leading to bacon frying sounds, and eventually, switch failure.

Cathode stripping is supposed to cause tube performance to weaken. I have never encountered a power tube (or set) that was weak. They tend to fail like light bulbs, burning out. Or they arc internally, making frightening noises, and often fail spectacularly, burning up supporting components.

Guitar players are trained to expect the standby switch, so modern amp makers include them. But the more enlightened builders are switching the cathodes, shorting the control grids to ground, or choosing other other means of silencing the amp, without switching high voltage.

I advise my clients to leave their standby switches in “run” mode and leave them there.

Further reading from the wizard, Merlin Blencowe: https://valvewizard.co.uk/standby.html

Aaron Lyon
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Chico, CA

...and here is the article:

Are You Using Your Amp's Standby Switch Correctly?
by George Aleswsandro

"To standby or not to standby," that is the question.

Are you using your standby switch correctly? Are you sure? It might be a little different than you think.

You have your on/off switch and, well, that makes sense. But standby? Okay, well, what is the flip side? In a tube guitar amplifier, it is "play." Isn't the flip side of "off" also play? Why are there two switches that do basically the same thing?

Vacuum tube amps are a very old electronic technology, and there is a specific function for each of the two switches. The on/off switch controls power to the entire amplifier by switching the line voltage on or off to the power transformer. The power transformer is the distribution hub for the ene: zy inside the amp. If your amp doesn't have a str dby switch, then once you switch it on, all the energy is on inside the amp all at once. This isn't a good thing for vacuum tubes. They need to warn up before they can function, which is why y get no sound from a tube amp when you firs urn it on. Tubes only need about 45-60 seconds co warm up to function, but they do sound different and "better" once they get up to operating temperature. This can take five to 1o minutes, and once you actually start playing the amp and they get cooking, even more time to get that tone!

So the standby switch has a few functions. At cold start up, it allows the tubes time to warm up before applying the high voltage to them to oper-ate the amp. While the amp is at operating temperature, if you are taking a break, it allows the amp to also take a break while maintaining operating temperature. And at the end of the session, it allows you to discharge the energy inside the amp.

Here are the times you'll use that switch:

Cold start. With the standby on, turn the power switch on. Allow the amp to warm up for a minute, then flip the standby to "play" position. There is no issue with waiting more than a minute, but shorter is bad. There is this thing called cathode stripping that happens when you apply voltage to a tube before it is fully warmed up. In between sets or just taking a break. You probably know how hot your amp gets when you're jamming away. This is okay; tubes run on high temperatures, but all the other parts inside, not so much. So, give the amp a break. When you're taking a break, switch to standby position. This keeps the tube warm but allows the entire amp to cool down. This also takes the high voltage off the circuit, so the parts' life clock is put on hold, too. If you're going for a long break, an hour or more, you can do a full shutdow and start from the cold-start procedure. Othe wise, you're just wasting energy heating the tub and the heaters do have a life span.

Shut down. So far, it's likely everything sems obvious. But here's where people can get it wrong: It's the end of the night, and you're drained and done. Well, your amp wants to be too! Shutdown is a slightly different procedure than taking a break and allows the amp to drain all its stored voltages. After that last note, flip that on/off switch onto the off position. You can audibly hear the energy drain out of the amp as the last of the high voltage is dissipated by the tubes trying to operate, because the standby switch is still in the play position. The off position shuts down the heaters inside the tubes and the high voltage, so the last of the energy stored by the caps can drain out while the tubes are still hot. When you hear the last of that sound dissipate, the voltage inside is drained, and you can put the standby switch onto standby. Now, the amp is ready for the cold start up procedure.

What about amps that don't have standby switches? They don't need it. The Princeton Reverb, for example, doesn't have a standby switch, but it does have a 5AR4 rectifier tube. The 5AR4/GZ34 tube has a controlled warm up. While the tube is cold, it will not pass high voltage for a set amount of time, about 45 seconds. This controlled warm up allows all the tubes in the amp to get warm before the high voltage comes on. So, it does the waiting to go from standby to play for you. You don't have the take a break option anymore, so it is best to shut it down when taking long breaks. It automatically does the cold turn on and aforementioned shut down procedure.

But if your amp has a standby switch, use it!

Thank you for doing this Xtian! I have an amp on the bench with a damaged standby switch that goes pop every few minutes!
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Who’s this guy George Aleswsandro? Gonna give guru George Alessandro a really bad reputation ..
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didit wrote: Tue Jul 15, 2025 8:49 pm Who’s this guy George Aleswsandro? Gonna give guru George Alessandro a really bad reputation ..


The guy building those umm..

The guy with the 24kt gold chassis.
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I sorta buy into Merlin's theory about Fenders standby switch being put in not to save the tubes from anything. But instead to save the under rated caps in the power supply.

Back then, big caps with a high voltage rating were really really expensive (compared to today). So, often the filter caps down stream were rated at a lower voltage than the reservoir cap. This all works more or less ok when you are dealing with a tube rectifier as everything warms up and will then draw current drppping the voltage when the B+ comes online. Plus you can use cheaper lower voltage filter caps (Leo liked cheap).

But then replace that tube rectifier with a solid state rectifier. And now all those under rated caps in the filter chain get whacked with B+ exceeding their rating for 20 or so seconds before the tubes warm up and draw current. In this specific case it sorta makes sense to use a standby durring startup to reduce the time these caps exceed their rating.

The other option nowdays.... Use properly rated caps and ditch the standby since guitar players won't use it correctly even in the above case.

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I've been a proponent of omitting traditional standby switches from guitaramps for a very long time. While they can make sense in high voltage transmitters and radio modulators (greater than 1000 vdc on the output plates) where you want to control the onset of plate current, they make no sense in power amps operating at the voltages we typically use. If you want a mute switch, add one that grounds the signal into the power amp or phase inverter. If you want a soft-start function to delay plate current until the heaters warm up, make a proper one that senses filament inrush current or operates off a timer to enable plate current.

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romberg wrote: Fri Jul 18, 2025 8:48 pm I sorta buy into Merlin's theory about Fenders standby switch being put in not to save the tubes from anything. But instead to save the under rated caps in the power supply.

Back then, big caps with a high voltage rating were really really expensive (compared to today). So, often the filter caps down stream were rated at a lower voltage than the reservoir cap. This all works more or less ok when you are dealing with a tube rectifier as everything warms up and will then draw current drppping the voltage when the B+ comes online. Plus you can use cheaper lower voltage filter caps (Leo liked cheap).

But then replace that tube rectifier with a solid state rectifier. And now all those under rated caps in the filter chain get whacked with B+ exceeding their rating for 20 or so seconds before the tubes warm up and draw current. In this specific case it sorta makes sense to use a standby durring startup to reduce the time these caps exceed their rating.

The other option nowdays.... Use properly rated caps and ditch the standby since guitar players won't use it correctly even in the above case.

Mike
True, it helps protect low voltage caps in the solid state case, but that wasn't Leo's rationale, as his use of standby switches predates his use of solid state rectifiers by a decade.
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stephen_w_keller wrote: Sat Jul 19, 2025 3:22 amIf you want a mute switch, add one that grounds the signal into the power amp or phase inverter.
This works great. Dead simple and dead slient with no switch pop. Standard practice on my amps with tube rectifiers now.
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TUBEDUDE wrote: Sat Jul 19, 2025 8:46 am True, it helps protect low voltage caps in the solid state case, but that wasn't Leo's rationale, as his use of standby switches predates his use of solid state rectifiers by a decade.
Leo Fender was mostly self-taught in electronics. I don't have any proof, but I think he picked up the notion of a standby switch from the AARL radio handbooks, where standby switches were sometimes employed in transmitters and modulators to delay onset of plate voltage until the heaters were warmed up. Those circuits often used much higher plate voltages where keeping plates cold until the heaters had warmed up was necessary. It's just not an issue if your plate voltages are less than about 1000 vdc.

If you want to delay plate voltage that's fine and a standby switch will do that when used correctly, but there are better ways to handle that sort of thing automatically. A Fender-style standby switch is not a solution for muting an amplifier for long periods of time.

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I don't worry about them too much. I've not had them be the source of a lot of problems, no more so than anything else.

5R4 and 5U4GB are directly heated cathodes, and supposedly, we should allow them to heat up before drawing current.

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stephen_w_keller wrote: Sun Jul 20, 2025 3:03 am
TUBEDUDE wrote: Sat Jul 19, 2025 8:46 am True, it helps protect low voltage caps in the solid state case, but that wasn't Leo's rationale, as his use of standby switches predates his use of solid state rectifiers by a decade.
Leo Fender was mostly self-taught in electronics. I don't have any proof, but I think he picked up the notion of a standby switch from the AARL radio handbooks, where standby switches were sometimes employed in transmitters and modulators to delay onset of plate voltage until the heaters were warmed up. Those circuits often used much higher plate voltages where keeping plates cold until the heaters had warmed up was necessary. It's just not an issue if your plate voltages are less than about 1000 vdc.

If you want to delay plate voltage that's fine and a standby switch will do that when used correctly, but there are better ways to handle that sort of thing automatically. A Fender-style standby switch is not a solution for muting an amplifier for long periods of time.

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Leo wasn't aware that cathode stripping requires high voltage, nor apparently was he aware of cathode poisoning.

I don't use standby switches.
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