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Ground Lift Circuit Question

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When a schematic calls for some odd values like...

a 51 Ohm resistor (why not 50 ?) and a 10nF cap in series, what is the mathematical reason ?

I've searched online calculators and haven't been able to figure out why they chose these specific values.

I'm guessing a 51 ohm resistor and a 10 nF cap in series is going to filter certain frequencies...?



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51Ω is a common value for CC resistors. Show us a schematic for more specific comments.
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sluckey wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:36 am 51Ω is a common value for CC resistors. Show us a schematic for more specific comments.
Sure, it's the reactive load I've been rebuilding.

The audio transformer calls for these components.

Just wanted to try to learn something about 'why' these values..

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Just to be clear, this box isn't a reactive load, it's an impedance matching device to take the speaker output and convert it to a form of a DI box. I.e. lower the output of the speaker to something you can put into a mixer directly. Putting a line level input into a speaker is going to not work well at all. It would be super weak.

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pompeiisneaks wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:54 pm Just to be clear, this box isn't a reactive load, it's an impedance matching device to take the speaker output and convert it to a form of a DI box. I.e. lower the output of the speaker to something you can put into a mixer directly. Putting a line level input into a speaker is going to not work well at all. It would be super weak.

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Sorry, yeah... this is the cut sheet from the Jensen audio transformer.

I was wanting to know why they chose the values they did for the ground lift resistor/cap :?:

purely an academic question since is the load is built.
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oops.. double post. :oops:
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Cathode Ray wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:27 pm
pompeiisneaks wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:54 pm Just to be clear, this box isn't a reactive load, it's an impedance matching device to take the speaker output and convert it to a form of a DI box. I.e. lower the output of the speaker to something you can put into a mixer directly. Putting a line level input into a speaker is going to not work well at all. It would be super weak.

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Sorry, yeah... this is the cut sheet from the Jensen audio transformer.
Oh gotcha, so you just ran across this one and were curious. 8)

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That exact same ground lift circuit with same component values can be found in one of KOC's books. I bet Jensen copied that from him. :mrgreen:
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sluckey wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:08 pm That exact same ground lift circuit with same component values can be found in one of KOC's books. I bet Jensen copied that from him. :mrgreen:
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Also possibly relevant is the reason 51 ohms would be more common than 50...

https://www.electronics-notes.com/artic ... 48-e96.php

The idea behind the standard E values is that every jump in value is the same percentage larger than the previous value... the jump from 1 to 1.5 is roughly the same percentage increase as the jump from 6.8 to 10 and again from 10 to 15. It actually makes a ton of sense once you wrap your head around it.
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Interesting read. I had never seen that before.
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Marvelicious wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:46 pm Also possibly relevant is the reason 51 ohms would be more common than 50...

https://www.electronics-notes.com/artic ... 48-e96.php

The idea behind the standard E values is that every jump in value is the same percentage larger than the previous value... the jump from 1 to 1.5 is roughly the same percentage increase as the jump from 6.8 to 10 and again from 10 to 15. It actually makes a ton of sense once you wrap your head around it.
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I hit an online auction a while back from a local hearing aid test equipment company that was moving manufacturing overseas ( :cry: ) and bought a lot of three of those multi-drawer electronics parts boxes. By the look of things they were from three different workstations, mostly 1/4w resistors with a random selection of caps and the occasional op amp, etc... Anywho, because it was different stations, there was a ton of overlap in values so I spent a few afternoons sorting and combining, and I ran across that webpage while working through that. Talk about a quick way to get familiar with standard values! There were a few random gaps, but I've basically got full E24 coverage in carbon comp 1/4w. Pretty handy for pedal building, even if I tend to go heavier in my amps. Definitely worth the effort. I also scored a Tektronix 2445B that seems to function perfectly... not bad for the $200 I spent at that auction!
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