VVR (cathode bias) suitable for preamp fixed bias amp

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Re: VVR (cathode bias) suitable for preamp fixed bias amp

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Thanks! Will look into it and report back.
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Martin, would it be possible for you to draw the above in the layout I posted earlier?
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Electrically it would go like this, but you could locate the 100n cap/1M resistor pairs near the tube sockets.
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Wow thanks Martin, what service!
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It works flawlessly! Completely silent and no popping sounds from TB pedals.

Do any of the named parts need to comply to a certain standard besides the values?
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I would just use good quality film caps and metal film resistors. The voltage rating does not need to be very high since they are on grid leads, but I would choose 200-600V caps.

This is an interesting experiment. Do you like the sound you are getting? Does it change dramatically from low to high voltage settings?
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martin manning wrote:I would just use good quality film caps and metal film resistors. The voltage rating does not need to be very high since they are on grid leads, but I would choose 200-600V caps.

This is an interesting experiment. Do you like the sound you are getting? Does it change dramatically from low to high voltage settings?
I will use orange drops then. Can you explain why you suggest 100n for de cap?

I like the sound that I'm getting a lot. I can only test at room level, but I like it so far. It's so much more lively. My pedals also all sound amazing.
Concerning the high- and the low voltage, there is about the same difference; no dramatic difference.
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The value of the caps is large to avoid rolling off any low frequency content. You might not notice any difference using 47n or even 22n caps; try it and see.
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martin manning wrote:The value of the caps is large to avoid rolling off any low frequency content. You might not notice any difference using 47n or even 22n caps; try it and see.
Thanks Martin. Please explain 'low frequency content'.
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Low frequency content is bass notes. A cap-resistor combination as used here to keep DC off of the guitar pots and amp volume pot makes a low-pass filter, which will have the effect of reducing the bass as the value of the cap is reduced.
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martin manning wrote:Low frequency content is bass notes. A cap-resistor combination as used here to keep DC off of the guitar pots and amp volume pot makes a low-pass filter, which will have the effect of reducing the bass as the value of the cap is reduced.
Thanks, less complicated than I thought.
I used 22n orange drops because I had them lying around. It sounds great, but I wouldn't want to change the tonal character of the amp. Do you think 22n is too much or shouldn't it matter? I tried 100n, 68n, 33n and 22n and I couldn't hear any difference. But I tested at room-level, so could be different in live situations.
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You can make a quick calc of the frequency where such a filter will reduce the power level by half: 1/(2*Pi*R*C), or 159155/(k ohms * nF). For a 1M resistor and 22n cap, the so-called corner frequency is 7.2 Hz, but the roll-off actually begins a couple of octaves higher, so around 30 Hz. I think you are fine using 22n.
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Thanks Martin, impressive stuff!

I read somewhere 'not to use a cap of lower value than the largest coupling cap in the amp circuit'.
Is this true?
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You can't generalize like that. in each specific instance the surrounding circuitry affects the frequency response.
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