Need More Power..!!!

[PoorOtis]

Got a Marshall MG30 amp..having problems contending with a heavy handed drummer..I don;t have the cash to buy another amp...what can I do to the amp I have to get more power out of it???(Without Blowing it UP!)

can I install a auxiliary speaker jack on the rear?? Or..???
(have to mike it through the PA to be heard..)

[Reeltarded]

The only thing you can really do is mic it up and omg first time I have used this term since analog.. foldback through the monitors.

30w is the bare minimum for competing with a rock snare.

[Structo]

Might be cheaper to get another drummer.

[rdjones]

Might be cheaper to get another drummer.

Yeah, you don't need a louder amp, you need a reasonable drummer.
Have the drummer invest in some gobos if he can't (or won't) lay back.

If you really want more volume out of the amp a more efficient speaker or extension cab may help.
What's in the amp now ?

rd

[vibratoking]

Get used to it...the drummer that doesn't bash is very hard to find. I played with one once, but he only wanted to play jazz...which is good when you are wanting to play jazz, but rock, blues, hell anything else for that matter was beneath him.

If you get a bigger amp, the drummer will come down even harder. A bigger amp is just an accelerated hearing loss/tinnitus program. If he won't calm down, put him in another room or encase him in plastic shield. If that doesn't work, point your 30W amp directly at his head from like two feet away and let him figure it out...he won't, he'll just keep hitting harder. Raising the overall volume ante is not a good solution, trust me.

[xtian]

If you get a bigger amp, the drummer will come down even harder. A bigger amp is just an accelerated hearing loss/tinnitus program. If he won't calm down, put him in another room or encase him in plastic shield. If that doesn't work, point your 30W amp directly at his head from like two feet away and let him figure it out...he won't, he'll just keep hitting harder. Raising the overall volume ante is not a good solution, trust me.

Different situation, so different opinion here. Just practiced with my AC/DC tribute last night. First time in months, and it was just a glorious feeling. Drummer hits hard, bass player is loud, everyone rocks out and has a great time. I'm playing my 100 watt JCM 800 through an Avatar 2x12 loaded with Eminence Man'o'War and Texas Heat. And I've got the master on TWO. Hallelujah. Cannot have too much power.

What makes all this possible without ruining my hearing? Custom. Fit. Ear. Plugs. Do it. Sounds great, less painful. Using -9dB filters. About $150 at your local audiologist.

[Reeltarded]

No plugs here. I can tell the difference between which cabs have a 50 plugged in and which have 100 plugged in by putting my nose on the grille. 100 tickles the scillia. You don't have to do that to know a Major in the mix. hah

[ER]

Yeah, a doubling of amp power= +3dB, a doubling of speakers is also +3dB, so going from a 97dB speaker to a 100dB speaker is the same as doubling the amps power.

Not sure the stock speaker efficiency most celestions are 97 or less per watt/meter, but there are some relatively efficient 10" speakers that don't cost a lot;
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdet ... er=299-406
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdet ... er=290-840
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdet ... er=290-802

Not sure how your amp is set-up, but if you can get it up off the ground and leaned back a little bit you'll hear yourself better. I'd see if someone has a 4x12 cab you could borrow for the occasions you need to play with this drummer if you decide to keep doing it. Wear ear protection and don't be surprised if singers don't stick around very long.

[M Fowler]

Like previously mentioned install aux 1/4 jack in amp or on a piece of angle iron or angle aluminum screwed into the side of the cab or back of back panel then attach the speaker wires to this speaker out jack to run external 212 speaker cab or 412 cab but total impedance must match what your amp is currently using. I've done this to lots of Fender Studio 90/100's. They ran 4 ohm total load.

Mark

[vibratoking]

...What makes all this possible without ruining my hearing? Custom. Fit. Ear. Plugs. Do it. Sounds great, less painful. Using -9dB filters. About $150 at your local audiologist.

I am glad you like them, but I would not recommend them to a musician as a good sounding solution to the problem. I am a beta tester for Westone custom fit musicians earplugs and in-ear monitors. I have engineering friends that develop products for Westone. I don't wear the plugs while playing music and I get them for free. They don't sound anytwhere near great IMO. I don't like being cutoff from the space. Bone conduction is a BIG problem. Singing with custom molded, passive ear plugs is far below optimum. The size of your ear canal changes as you move your jaw, which allows the outside sound to leak by the plug. Maybe I should learning to sing like a ventriloquist? If you want really want full range attenuation with great sound quality don't use them. If you don't sing and can put up with a limited and distorted frequency balance, then enjoy them. Do an honest test, put them in and then take them out...no comparison. I use mine while on the riding mower and while using power tools, but that ain't music.

I use in-ear monitors quite often and they are a useful solution. They can get expensive for the average Joe and you need to control the feed to your head. JMHO.

[xtian]

The size of your ear canal changes as you move your jaw, which allows the outside sound to leak by the plug. Maybe I should learning to sing like a ventriloquist?

I agree: plugs are subobtimal. But they're far better than damaging your hearing. And custom fit with the flat-response filters are FAR better than any other plugs I've tried.

I am a singer, and when having plugs custom fit, singers should ask for a bite bar to keep your jaw slightly open during the impressions. This helps find a compromise shape for your ear canals, and works great in my experience.

[ER]

I used to play with a drummer that got us kicked out of every bar we ever played because they couldn't take drink orders while we were on. Our towns disturbing the peace ordinance was 106dB and he measured 112 alone before the bass player and I were even plugged in and the PA on. I had a custom boogie rack setup with a strategy 400 and 2 custom 4x10 cabs with EV's and had to have everything turned up to at least 7 to play with this guy. One day I took my Hiwatt lead 100 to practice and couldn't hear myself

I would put toilet paper in my ears for practice to save my hearing and take them out for performances (was singing at the time). Cheap and I'm 45 now and still have most of my hearing.

Ear plugs are like condoms, you can spend a little or a lot, but it's never as good as without...

[Colossal]

I can tell the difference between which cabs have a 50 plugged in and which have 100 plugged in...You don't have to do that to know a Major in the mix. hah

I challenge you to a cabinet race, sir!

[Reeltarded]

Baffle distortion.

[vibratoking]

Ear plugs are like condoms, you can spend a little or a lot, but it's never as good as without...

Well said!!!