Nik is truely a great guy.

[vibratoking]

Agreed Andy!

[FUCHSAUDIO]

Thanks Vibratoking... .

[67plexi]

Look at it this way , I was in the Marine business for over 25 years.
One customer would have a mega ship and think it was a piece of crap.
The next customer would have beat to hell 14' skiff and that would be his dream boat.
We are dealing with the skiff guy.

[Kassie]

Can't possibly be. That would involve taking Andy serious.

Well, since the OP, seems to be a newbee lets cut him some slack.

Those of us who have been here since the beginning days of covered wagons recognize the irony in the statement that Nik's such a swell guy for sharing his documentation. His ?

The point being overlooked here is simply that information was freely available here for years, and information was taken and enjoyed by many. While a majority here were hobbyists, some were (or became) "professionals", myself included. Therein the sticky wicket rests. There was plenty of information that was also given by many of these people like Brandon, Allyn, Shad, Gil Ayan, Scott Lerner, Billy Yates, myself and others.

Unfortunately, for Nik it was (and perhaps remains) a free engineering supermarket, used to build a company. He gave back nothing in return. That's the whole thing in a nutshell.

Wow... no more Fuchs products for me. You also took the good work off others and ran with it commercially... so tad hypocritical... Do you also pay royalties to the guy whos amps you gladly rip off? But I guess its all good because you are sharing some stuff on a forum?

Also, we really should have this discussion with Nik to defend himself...

[Teleguy61]

Please people, let's behave like adults.
Let it go.
Nik is Nik, Andy is Andy, on down the line.
How about we stop the finger pointing and build amps?

[Colossal]

Also, we really should have this discussion with Nik to defend himself...

We probably shouldn't have had it at all. None of these threads start or end positively. This is a civil forum and most here very gentlemanly. Everybody rips or borrows from everybody else ALL THE TIME, so no sense in finger pointing to determine what intellectual property came from who and when. Nobody should be busting anybody's balls because anything on the Net is public domain so claims to property are just noise and if secrecy mattered, well, it never should have been made public in the first place.

Discussions like this should probably be on the Gear Page or wherever. This is a forum about sharing ideas and technical discussions, i.e. theory and application.

Bitching about or shilling for Nik is not going to change a thing. Any errors he introduces into his layouts are his. If a newb stumbles because of those inaccuracies, that's Nik's deal. Of course, we often pick up the tab deconvuluting newb builds when they don't work, so therein lies some of the rub. Nik gets free tech support from posters people here.

[FUCHSAUDIO]

Wow... no more Fuchs products for me. You also took the good work off others and ran with it commercially... so tad hypocritical... Do you also pay royalties to the guy whos amps you gladly rip off? But I guess its all good because you are sharing some stuff on a forum?

Also, we really should have this discussion with Nik to defend himself...

Sorry Kassie. While I respect your view, I suspect you will wait quite some time before Nik shows up and "defends himself". If he does show, it would only be to make silly little posts or funny comments and make light of the whole situation. I think he is no longer a member, but I'm sure he can get information from here if he wants. It's clear he could care less. He got plenty, and it's well acknowledged that he came, he took, he gave nothing. The toothpaste won't go back into the tube....

Sure, I never denied my early products garnered inspiration from HAD, but so did plenty of others, and in many cases certainly more blatantly than me. Shame on me, I'm the most verbal of the bigger builders here. My bad. I took plenty of barbs in the beginning, before it became more accepted to do this. The point is many of us gave back, Nik never did. As far as royalties, if I deduct my lawyer fees from his royalties, he might owe me...lol. Perhaps he should pay Fender first...no wait, what ?

Not looking to pick a fight here, but his conduct has been discussed here 50 ways till Sunday. It is what it is, and all the arguing here won't change it. Beating a dead horse indeed...

[tele caster]

[cbass]

[Reeltarded]

I say, arise! Ride like the wind!

[HeeBGB]

sigh.....I thought this thread was dead....I wish it were anyway. Please don't further any of this. I really don't want to lock this thread but I will if need be.

[Reeltarded]

Can we make it a sticky in the Dumble forum? That would be epic. Sticky and locked.

[Bob S]

Seems like a perfectly reasonable request.
Seconded.

[vibratoking]

sigh.....I thought this thread was dead....I wish it were anyway. Please don't further any of this. I really don't want to lock this thread but I will if need be.

You mean I can control you like a thread locking puppet just by continuing on with this nonsense? Man, I must have way more power than I thought...

[hitchcaster]

look he clones Phil's name! this one is on eBay now. if it was me I would of cloned the wiring (etc) before I worried about the sig on the trannies