124 skyliner checkup and troubleshoot

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trane34

124 skyliner checkup and troubleshoot

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Hey all,

I got it all wired up. I do not have the -2 to -50 v range on my bias. I am only getting -31.4 to -42.8. I used the 124 layout values of 10k pot 27k bias resistor and 3k3 resistor. How can I adjust this to get a better range for both 6L6 and EL34 tubes. I have pins 1 and 8 grounded and a 1.5k off pin 5 straight to 220k resistors. I have a 5watt 470 resistor across pin 4 and 6. I put some 6L6 tubes in just to see the range of bias and the lowest I could get was 47 ma. Right at 70% but I'd like to bias them colder if needed. Didn't try the EL34s yet.

Here are my voltages. Are they OK (will research them after I post this)?
pin1 pin6
v1 219 221
v2 221 221
v3 294 304
pin3 pin4 pin6
v4,5,6,7 445 444 445
+ AC
Rec 445 both 325

Will post some pics soon. Tks in advance for any advice!

edit: just checked the schem...it has 190v on v1 200v on v2 and 280v/290 on v3. Also found out you need some tubes in the preamp to measure their voltages :oops:
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Re: 124 skyliner checkup and troubleshoot

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If you want to swing the range more towards an EL34, change the safety tail to a 22k. You could bring V1/V2 down 10-15 volts

TM
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Re: 124 skyliner checkup and troubleshoot

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ToneMerc wrote:If you want to swing the range more towards an EL34, change the safety tail to a 22k. You could bring V1/V2 down 10-15 volts

TM
Cool tks...will try it out. What can I do to bring down v1/v2?
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Re: 124 skyliner checkup and troubleshoot

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I would play with tubes and string values, you knock v1/v2 down even further, let your ears decide.
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Re: 124 skyliner checkup and troubleshoot

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As Tone Merc suggested try some different tubes before adjusting the string.
Tubes draw different amounts of current, which will affect the voltage they sit at.

Sometimes as much as a 10v difference can be observed between two different 12ax7's.
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Re: 124 skyliner checkup and troubleshoot

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You don't say what you're using in V1, V2, V3. I have found that old Amperex Made in Holland (Heerlen factory) seem to draw more current than most. Old GEs can be good too.
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Re: 124 skyliner checkup and troubleshoot

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I took those readings with EI 12AX7s in V1-3. I use them as test tubes as they are just too microphonic...although they sounded great when they did work. Those are higher gain if I remember right. Does high gain have anything to do with higher voltages? Thanks all for the advice so far. There is alot more you can tweak with these amps than I am used to. I've built a bunch of BF amps and Plexis and didn't ever find the need to tweak except to mess with the bright caps. I haven't even touched the trim pots on the board yet. I just set them in the middle. I changed the safety tail to 22k. Its now at -29 at the low end of bias range and I was able to bias the EL34s at 37 ma. At least its a little lower than the 70% of 39ma. I am really enjoying the sound. I think I need to roll all the tubes I have and take measurements and learn a little more.
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