I'd love to hear more about the "best features from each" comment.Structo wrote:The Series/ Parallel loop that Bluesfendermanblues designed uses the best features of the O'Connor loop and the Dumbleator.
EDIT:
This is the final schematic. (I should discard earlier versions.....)
What is most transparent loop buffer design
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Re: What is most transparent loop buffer design
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Re: What is most transparent loop buffer design
greiswig wrote:I'd love to hear more about the "best features from each" comment.Structo wrote:The Series/ Parallel loop that Bluesfendermanblues designed uses the best features of the O'Connor loop and the Dumbleator.
EDIT:
This is the final schematic. (I should discard earlier versions.....)
The idea with the desing was to get:
1) In serial mode - as close to the 'original' schematic as possible
2) In Parallel mode - as transparent as possible AND with same level in the circuit as when bypassed.
https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.ph ... 77&start=0
Diva or not? - Respect for Mr. D's work....)
						Re: What is most transparent loop buffer design
bluesfendermanblues wrote:Thanks, BFMB!greiswig wrote: The idea with the desing was to get:
1) In serial mode - as close to the 'original' schematic as possible
2) In Parallel mode - as transparent as possible AND with same level in the circuit as when bypassed.
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						Re: What is most transparent loop buffer design
I altered my d'lator last night to this configuration. Works great! Thanks.
But I kept hearing less bass through the circuit than I heard when it was bypassed (via the bypass switch).
It may be because I didn't have an extra [specified] .47 cap available for the second stage input [the first stage .47 cap already being part of the d'lator circuit] - and the best I could do was .2
However I didn't hear any difference when inserting a .1 or .2, so I'm not sure how critical having .47 is. The only way I was able to get the same bass response [as when bypassed] was to substantially increase the .05 input cap.
I tried using .1 [instead of .05] but that still didn't do it. So I jumped up to a 1uf and then my bass [through the circuit] sounded identical to the bass when the circuit was bypassed.
Note: When testing, I disconnected the jack connection between the parallel path for the 'effect' - so as to disable any interaction from the signal flowing through the parallel 'effect' path [with no effect plugged in] - so it was just getting the single unprocessed signal path through the 220k.
RE: Cables between amp and d'lator:
I also noticed that the bypassed sound was not the same [not as good] as when I unplugged the cable connecting the amp to the d'lator - which is obviously the result of the quality of the connecting cables. I was only using inexpensive 6' cables.
Does anyone have an opinion as to what would be the best short [2'] patch cable to get the sound from the amp to the d'lator unchanged?
After looking at various high end cables at http://lavacable.com I couldn't decide which one would be better. I was leaning toward the evidence but at near $100 for 2 short cables, I opted for the klotz.
http://www.lavacable.com/klotz.html or
http://www.lavacable.com/mogami.html or
http://www.lavacable.com/evidence.html or
http://www.lavacable.com/zaolla.html
			
			
									
									
						But I kept hearing less bass through the circuit than I heard when it was bypassed (via the bypass switch).
It may be because I didn't have an extra [specified] .47 cap available for the second stage input [the first stage .47 cap already being part of the d'lator circuit] - and the best I could do was .2
However I didn't hear any difference when inserting a .1 or .2, so I'm not sure how critical having .47 is. The only way I was able to get the same bass response [as when bypassed] was to substantially increase the .05 input cap.
I tried using .1 [instead of .05] but that still didn't do it. So I jumped up to a 1uf and then my bass [through the circuit] sounded identical to the bass when the circuit was bypassed.
Note: When testing, I disconnected the jack connection between the parallel path for the 'effect' - so as to disable any interaction from the signal flowing through the parallel 'effect' path [with no effect plugged in] - so it was just getting the single unprocessed signal path through the 220k.
RE: Cables between amp and d'lator:
I also noticed that the bypassed sound was not the same [not as good] as when I unplugged the cable connecting the amp to the d'lator - which is obviously the result of the quality of the connecting cables. I was only using inexpensive 6' cables.
Does anyone have an opinion as to what would be the best short [2'] patch cable to get the sound from the amp to the d'lator unchanged?
After looking at various high end cables at http://lavacable.com I couldn't decide which one would be better. I was leaning toward the evidence but at near $100 for 2 short cables, I opted for the klotz.
http://www.lavacable.com/klotz.html or
http://www.lavacable.com/mogami.html or
http://www.lavacable.com/evidence.html or
http://www.lavacable.com/zaolla.html
Re: What is most transparent loop buffer design
I like buying cable and plugs from Redco.
For the cables to and from the pedal board I used the following.
The Mogami 2524 is an industry standard and the Neutrik plugs are very high quality.
What I did was make two cables with right angle plugs on them.
When I ordered the plugs I also ordered the color coded end caps for them. Red and Blue.
Then I took a red and blue Sharpie and marked the two Send and Return jacks on the D'lator.
That way when I plug into the back of the D'lator I know which jack to plug into.
Mogami 2524
http://www.redco.com/shopexd.asp?id=507
Nuetrik plugs
http://www.redco.com/shopexd.asp?id=969
Color coded ends
http://www.redco.com/shopexd.asp?id=1026
For the cables from the amp and to the D'lator I used some high quality 6" patch cables.
Since the loop sits on top of my amp, the 6" cables work very well.
But you can also build them.
			
			
									
									For the cables to and from the pedal board I used the following.
The Mogami 2524 is an industry standard and the Neutrik plugs are very high quality.
What I did was make two cables with right angle plugs on them.
When I ordered the plugs I also ordered the color coded end caps for them. Red and Blue.
Then I took a red and blue Sharpie and marked the two Send and Return jacks on the D'lator.
That way when I plug into the back of the D'lator I know which jack to plug into.
Mogami 2524
http://www.redco.com/shopexd.asp?id=507
Nuetrik plugs
http://www.redco.com/shopexd.asp?id=969
Color coded ends
http://www.redco.com/shopexd.asp?id=1026
For the cables from the amp and to the D'lator I used some high quality 6" patch cables.
Since the loop sits on top of my amp, the 6" cables work very well.
But you can also build them.
Tom
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