d stlye amp?

[paisley_tele]

is the clean side on the amp the same as a fender of is there a different tone. seems like there is a total differnt sound between both ? john mayers tone on his two rock sound different form a fender sound. check the clips .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSM3FL7zUdw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-MAYC4k15Y

[Bob-I]

The Dumble cleans are bigger and fatter than Fender cleans, more mids.

[JD0x0]

The Dumble cleans are bigger and fatter than Fender cleans, more mids.

+1 and much more tweekable

[Bob-I]

The Dumble cleans are bigger and fatter than Fender cleans, more mids.

+1 and much more tweekable

Well that's a matter of opinion, and you're entitled to have your opinion no matter how wrong it may be

I don't find the Dumble cleans to be more tweakable. In fact I find that the controls on the Fender style amps more sensitive.

But that's just my opinion, and I'm entitled to it no matter how wrong it may be

[JD0x0]

The Dumble cleans are bigger and fatter than Fender cleans, more mids.

+1 and much more tweekable

Well that's a matter of opinion, and you're entitled to have your opinion no matter how wrong it may be

I don't find the Dumble cleans to be more tweakable. In fact I find that the controls on the Fender style amps more sensitive.

But that's just my opinion, and I'm entitled to it no matter how wrong it may be

haha while i do agree with you somewhat with Fenders controls being more sensitive it's mostly due to the scooped mids. If you drop the mids on an ODS the other controls become more sensative. I was mainly refering to the rock/jazz and mid boost and/or deep switch which IMO makes the ODS very flexable.

But like you said it's a matter of opinion

[Bob-I]

+1 and much more tweekable

Well that's a matter of opinion, and you're entitled to have your opinion no matter how wrong it may be

I don't find the Dumble cleans to be more tweakable. In fact I find that the controls on the Fender style amps more sensitive.

But that's just my opinion, and I'm entitled to it no matter how wrong it may be

haha while i do agree with you somewhat with Fenders controls being more sensitive it's mostly due to the scooped mids. If you drop the mids on an ODS the other controls become more sensative. I was mainly refering to the rock/jazz and mid boost and/or deep switch which IMO makes the ODS very flexable.

But like you said it's a matter of opinion

It's also a matter of what you want from cleans. I find good use for Dumble cleans as well as Fender cleans, but nothing compares to Dumble OD IMHO.

I use 2 heads when I gig, a Dumble and a modded Fender. I could live, and have lived, with just the Dumble OD but I bring both heads because I can

[JD0x0]

It's also a matter of what you want from cleans. I find good use for Dumble cleans as well as Fender cleans, but nothing compares to Dumble OD IMHO.

I use 2 heads when I gig, a Dumble and a modded Fender. I could live, and have lived, with just the Dumble OD but I bring both heads because I can

I dont blame you man i sometimes bring my hiwatt to use with my ODS, mostly only use her for outdoor gigs now, but shes getting old

I've never really loved the fender cleans with the exception of the 59 bassman, love those with a tele

[paisley_tele]

i am looking for mayer type tone in a low wattage amp but seems like the two rocks have a tone that fenders aint getting. with the two rock and a ts is alot different than a fender and tube screamer? why?

[boldaslove6789]

BTW that 2 clip Mayer was using a fender blues deluxe......I guess that really means the tone is in our fingers......

[boldaslove6789]

D-type amps just react different then fenders, there seems to be just more of everything

[marcos]

Hi paisley,
which type of Fender are you referring to?
I guess it might the blackface/silverface type you are talking about.
Pretty much all of these have the mids attenuated,even when the mid control is at maximum.
The D-style amps,especially the ones with the Skyliner eq, are capable of almost flat response, which means way more mids, especially in the low mid range.In that respect more similar to the tweed Fender amps.
The good thing is that any Fender amp can easily be modded to get closer to the Dumble clean tone.
Assuming you have to the 10k mid pot, change it to 25k,
and maybe change the midcap to 33nF or 22nF,
and the amp will be warmer, at the expense of some sparkle.
This can easily be reversed if you don´t like it.
Of course, there is a lot more that can be done, but this could get you started in the right direction.
Marcos

[Structo]

A lot of people don't understand how scooped the old Fender mid frequencies were (are).
They mistake that tone for a full bodied, chimey, glassy (insert adjective here) tone.
They do sound good but they are quite a departure from the classic ODS tone.

Another difference in tonestacks is the slope resistor, which sets the frequency knee that is modified by the stack.

Paisley, you should download the Duncan Tonestack Calculator.
It allows you to plug in different values into some classic tonestacks.
Then you can trace the output on a graph and visually see what it looks like. And which frequencies are boosted and which are attenuated.

You can see what a higher value here and there does, or if you greatly reduce a cap here or there does.

It won't model the Dumble tonestack accurately because the D amps put the mid control in parallel with the bass pot but it will allow you to see why a Fender sounds the way it does, the way a Marshall sounds, VOX, and a few others.
A really neat tool to play around with.

You can find it here.
http://www.duncanamps.com/tsc/

And in case you don't already have it, the Duncan Tube Data Sheet Locator is also an excellent tool to have for looking up tube data.
http://www.duncanamps.com/tdslpe/