Who is running the show @ UPS?

[boldaslove6789]

I just bought a an old Evm-12-L. UPS just had to break it didn't they.....Bastards!!! I got all exited to get it.....Got it in the mail finally....Mounted in my cab,plugged it in...Nothin.Not a single sound
I shoulda been waiting by my door with a knife ready to open the package and my amp ready to plug it in just so the delivery guy could feel like an A-hole! Good thing the guy I bought it from just happened to have 1 more

Thank god!

[M Fowler]

Yeah those clowns can really mess things up. Almost as bad as the airline luggage loaders.

The last guy at least was honest he said this package came off the truck to our local UPS location all beat up and the box was bad. I opened it up and the tubes in the new amp were broken. Bastards.

[Structo]

They seem to take great joy in destroying anything electronic.
I saw another guy on a forum post a picture of a new Samsung Plasma TV he had ordered.
Now I would never order something like that shipped, but when he opened it, the entire screen was shattered....

And if you mark a package Fragile, I think that makes them abuse them all the more.

There really should be no excuse for them damaging things.
If you think about it, where else can you pay somebody to destroy something so thoroughly?

[dano-rator]

I wouldn't ship anything valuable between Thanksgiving and the New Year. Peak season...

Fragile really is pretty much meaningless, there's no substitute for really good packaging -and that gets you about a 50/50 shot. And in my experience, a 50/50 shot pays off about 25% of the time.

I'm astonished that any plasma TV could make it anywhere on one of those trucks, just seems like one of the worst situations you'd want to subject your brand new flat screen to.

But, sometimes you just have to throw caution to the wind...

Dan

[UR12]

They seem to take great joy in destroying anything electronic.
I saw another guy on a forum post a picture of a new Samsung Plasma TV he had ordered.
Now I would never order something like that shipped, but when he opened it, the entire screen was shattered....

And if you mark a package Fragile, I think that makes them abuse them all the more.

There really should be no excuse for them damaging things.
If you think about it, where else can you pay somebody to destroy something so thoroughly?

Back when I was in Tech school in the early 70s I worked part time for UPS in the loading facility during the Christmas rush. I can recall just like it was yesterday, our boss giving us the crash course on loading a truck. He told us that if a package was marked fragile to "toss it underhanded". Fedex is just as bad both of these companies could destroy a bowling ball.

[gearhead]

And if you mark a package Fragile, I think that makes them abuse them all the more.

I've always considered that a challenge to them. NEVER mark anything fragile.

[Scumback Speakers]

My latest in a long line of damaged speakers & packages handled by UPS. The pics tell it all.

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showth ... p?t=630684

[Structo]

OMG!

In that same thread Jim started this guy got a 66 Martin delivered by UPS.
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Unfriggin believable.

The box looked like it had tire marks on it.

I would never buy a guitar from ebay for that very reason.

[boldaslove6789]

That almost made me shed a tear You can't replace Vintage.

[Bob-I]

I was gonna make a joke about being able to fix that guitar, but then I noticed it was a vintage Martin. That just sucks, can't laught that one off. I just hope the owner gets a decent settlement for it. I had a 63 SG stolen in the last 70's and the ins company depreciated it, gave me $80 after I showed them a quote from a local store showing it was over $1500 to replace it.

[roadkingbluzs]

I try to avoid UPS. I belive it is just arrogance of a large corporation to absorb these losses/settlements. Friend purchased early Vox AC50 that was by his description probably just pushed off back of truck for deliver. Chassis separated from cab and corner crushed, and said it was well packaged. After months of hassle UPS settled.

[briane]

Probably worth answering your orginal question, who runs the show at ups...

Obviously that guy who flunked out of high school, and got addicted to crystal meth. The rest of us applied ourselves.

Hope I did not offend anyone....(with the truth)

[CaseyJones]

Probably worth answering your orginal question, who runs the show at ups...

Obviously that guy who flunked out of high school, and got addicted to crystal meth. The rest of us applied ourselves.

Hope I did not offend anyone....(with the truth)

You'd have a difficult time workin' at UPS and doin' drugs. I bet you couldn't do it, period.

Brown shirts... dudes in uniform. It's a weird culture. The drivers are all Teamsters, management are not. The managers do their thing and micro-manage the drivers. It's almost the only way they can compete against non-union FedEx. UPS has to pay a union wage plus bennies, they need to earn their keep by crankin' more freight through there using less labor. The parcels are moved and sorted on belts at the regional "hubs", that's where most of the damage occurs. People have very little to do with it. You must pack yer shit to withstand an impact by a 70 pound or more parcel on the belts or suffer the consequences. Poor packing is to blame a lot of the time judging by the packing jobs on the stuff I get. You can't assume writing "this side up" on a package is going to keep that side up, belts don't know which side is up. I got a Marshall the other day rattling around in a in a big box with nothing around it, who is to blame for that one? I've seen more just plain dumb packing jobs, "poorly thought out" infers that some thought was put into it to begin with.

Not sure if they still do it but MIT used to have an exercise where they packed eggs and dropped them off a roof, he with the intact egg wins. You have to think like that, you have to assume your package will take a three or four foot drop on to concrete or it will have to support a pile of 70 pound packages. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

BTW I'm fully in support of The Teamsters. Someone should make a decent wage for a day's work.

[Structo]

I agree that packing well is a priority.

It is amazing to see some of the crappy packing jobs done by people.
When I won an old Hammond amp on ebay I requested the seller remove the tubes and wrap them in bubble wrap and put them in a separate container which would fit inside the main box.
The guy or gal did a remarkable packing job using everything they could get there hands on.
It had foam rubber, styrofoam, newspaper, cardboard, you name it, it was in there.
The amp arrived undamaged. And the vintage Sylvania's were intact!

I had another guy ship me a 18 watt amp that he was having trouble getting it to work.
He had built it himself and he doesn't know anything about electronics.
He sent me the chassis and tubes.
The tubes were in tube cartons and the amp was double boxed.
He used wadded up plastic shopping bags for padding.
At first I thought, you have got to be kidding me, but they worked well.
So it would be a good way of getting rid of all those old shopping bags......

[Scumback Speakers]

Update to my client's UPS damaged Scumnico...

1) UPS denied the claim for insufficient packing. Typical.

2) Client sent it back to Weber VST, the frame and magnet weren't beyond repair, so they rebuilt it and sent it back. Client is thrilled with how it sounds, but I have to send him a label since UPS lost that.

3) Client bitched more at UPS, finally got a $100 out of them. I think he referenced me as the seller and that I previously beat them in small claims on my Marshall Studio 15 fiasco.

4) Weber charged them $25 to rebuild it. After shipping fees, and a 3 week delay for the rebuild, the client spends under $60 including shipping, so he's $40 ahead for the entire deal. That made him happy.

Moral of the story...never ship speakers via UPS.