Has anyone tried to buy any .22 ammo lately?

[vibratoking]

The feds are buying a lot. Also, dickheads are trying to exploit the situation by aquiring the ammo at 'normal' cost and selling it at auctions and wherever at a greatly increased price. There are individuals doing this as well as reps, distributors and stores in the supply chain that are keeping the stock from the shelves and profiteering. NO ONE should be doing panic buys at increased prices! This only feeds into the hands of the dickheads.

It does bring up an interesting problem. The constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms, but not to keep and bear ammunition. 300 million guns and no ammo...huh. That's interesting. Rimfire can't really be reloaded. Centerfire can easily be strangled by lack of primers. Sounds like primer and casing manufacturing could be a good business. I think we'll start to see a lot of DIY ammo methods coming to the surface in the near future. It's the American way.

[NickC]

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It does bring up an interesting problem. The constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms, but not to keep and bear ammunition ...........

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Arms and ammo are inseparable with respect to the Second Amendment as a practical matter and a point of law. Restricting ammo is an infringement. But that won't stop certain parties from playing games of semantics to advance their agenda of disarming the populace with word games and Orwellian double-speak (except the criminal element who do not abide by, or respect, law .... or semantics).

[selloutrr]

High power pellet gun $200
Ammo is a tin of 500 pellets for $5-10.
Co2 cartridge $1
Some rifles have threaded barrels for suppressor
Ability to shoot in city limits with little to no noise

If you don't like woodpeckers don't live in a wooden house.
If you don't like squirrels don't have but trees, bird feeders, reseed your lawn, or a place to Hide nuts.
If you don't like raccoons don't have a crawl space, deck or trash cans outside.
If you don't like pack rats, don't park outside or ever turn out the lights.

Or fix all of these with a bobcat
(Legal pet in most states)

[Reeltarded]

We have metal peckers here. They just make that noise to piss me off.

[vibratoking]

High power pellet gun $200
Ammo is a tin of 500 pellets for $5-10.
Co2 cartridge $1
Some rifles have threaded barrels for suppressor
Ability to shoot in city limits with little to no noise

If you don't like woodpeckers don't live in a wooden house.

You can oversimplify this as much as you want. Pellet guns and cartridges are also becoming hard to find and/or more expensive as many are transitioning to that platform.

If you read the thread, you'd know that my problem wasn't woodpeckers pecking wood, it was woodpeckers pecking metal. They like metal...it's a speaker with higher efficiency than wood. I don't have the problem anymore and it only took 3 well placed 22 rounds. I know, don't live in a house with metal either...

BTW, there are many instances of pet bobcats mauling their owners and innocent victims. It's a wild animal.

[ToneMerc]

It does bring up an interesting problem. The constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms, but not to keep and bear ammunition. 300 million guns and no ammo...huh. That's interesting. Rimfire can't really be reloaded. Centerfire can easily be strangled by lack of primers. Sounds like primer and casing manufacturing could be a good business. I think we'll start to see a lot of DIY ammo methods coming to the surface in the near future. It's the American way.

Here's neat video on how ammo is made.

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/201 ... -and-ammo/

As far as DIY, one can reload from components or go as far as swaging your own jacketed bullets, which I've done. There's a whole genre' of reloading called wildcatting. This where a cartridge is made, but there is no factory ammo or factory brass(cartridge is formed from another cartridge) sold for it. I even have a several wildcat cartridges which I designed.


Forming cases: a 6mm BR Remington case necked down to .17 caliber and shortened.

Anyone ever seen a .14 rifle cartridge or even knew there was such as thing?

14/221 & .14 solid and jacketed bullets, .308 bullet, .375 lathe turned solid VLD bullet(used in the 375 CheyTac), 50BMG match bullet


TM

[Structo]

That's pretty cool Mike.

I never got into Wildcatting rounds, but loaded 100's of 30.06 when I shot that gun at ranges and for hunting deer and antelope.
I took a Ruger 30.06 and bedded the barrel, did some trigger work and got it to shoot very consistently at 200-300 yds.

But my favorite rifle of my collection is a Colt AR-15 National Match.
It has a bit more twist in it's heavy barrel so I can shoot heavier bullets.
Detachable carry handle so I can mount a large scope on the rail.

The trigger pull was already nice and crisp but I also installed a Titanium firing pin to speed up the detonation.

I was going to get into the newer .17 HMR rifles but lack of funds hasn't made buying toys easy.

Left: .17 HMR----Right: 22 WMR
[img:150:231]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _22Mag.jpg[/img]


Left: .17 HMR----Right: 22 Long Rifle
[img:320:240]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 22LR_B.jpg[/img]

[ToneMerc]

Tom, the sub calibers are fun to shoot. I have an .17HMR, but I rarely shoot it. I will usually shoot my .17 or .20 centerfire rifle calibers with 4-6 grains of fast burning pistol powder if I want to slow them down to rimfire velocities.

The trigger pull was already nice and crisp but I also installed a Titanium firing pin to speed up the detonation.

Any Colt 1911 style (non-firing pin block) upgrade or scratch build I will use a Ti firing pin. The lower mass will generally help to reduce firing pin follow if it's dropped, ask me how I know....lol Also, I will use a Ti pin in any blueprinted Remington 700 style rifle action for precision work. However, I will not install a Ti firing pin in an AR for several reasons.

Considering that an AR firing pin floats, the lock time is never truly consistent anyway. Although since the firing floats and has a tendency to dimple primers when you drop the bolt on a round, there might be some benefit of using a Ti pin in AR to reduce the likelihood of slam fires. Then again, I might be more concerned with slam fires in a burst or full auto mode.

A far cheaper and better method to reduce some lock time in an AR trigger system is to remove some mass from that overly heavy hammer. The best least money you can spend on an AR trigger is the "yellow spring kit" from JP Enterprises.

Mike

[Structo]

Thanks for the info Mike.

I'm going to look into that.

[Cantplay]

So many AR are assembled from crap components with inconsistent finish and temper.

Send it off to Williams for a set trigger job.

They did an amazing job on my HK's. They used to be like a staplegun pull, now its a proper crisp 2 stage pull.

http://www.williamstriggers.com/page5.html

John

[ToneMerc]

Thanks for the info Mike.

I'm going to look into that.

http://www.jprifles.com/1.4.8.3_spring.php

TM

[M Fowler]

I have a Colt AR-15 H-bar Match Target.

[galtjunk]

For those of you who would like to shoot quietly, Colibri makes a .22 rimfire round that doesn't contain any gunpowder. It launches the projectile using only the power contained in the primer. They are not silent but they are quiet. They are also much more available than standard rimfire rounds.

They will not cycle a semi automatic.

[ToneMerc]

For those of you who would like to shoot quietly, Colibri makes a .22 rimfire round that doesn't contain any gunpowder. It launches the projectile using only the power contained in the primer. They are not silent but they are quiet. They are also much more available than standard rimfire rounds.

They will not cycle a semi automatic.

Aquila is the manufacturer, Colibri is the brand. I got a brick of these for evaulation when they came on the market and IIRC, velocities at sea level were about 10% lower than stated.

I always warn folks about these rounds. Since they only contain the priming compound; in a longer barrel of 18-22 inches and if has a tight bore, the bullet can lodge in the barrel. In an 18" barrel they have a tendency to get lodged in the last 2-3" before the muzzle. Unless you have the bore "slugged" beforehand you wont know if you have a tight bore or not until you get one of these stuck in the bore.

Honestly, for this reason I do not generally recommend using these rounds in a rifle and if you do, have a 1/8 wooden dowel on hand so you can tap the bullet out if the bore.

They will past through a pistol bore fine, even the Ruger Mk2 with the 10" barrel. However in a pistol they are still relatively loud, very quite in a rifle though, if they pass through the bore.

In the end these things are 10-20 yard rounds at best. The Super Colibri is a tad bit better. However, I suggest using CB caps or 22 short, IMHO they are a better option.



TM

[Cantplay]

A spring piston pellet rifle will be fairly quiet, as long as velocity is under speed of sound.

John