my split personality band :D

[norburybrook]

here's a little fun video of a jam.

there were questions on another thread about on line collaborations and how it's done. here's myself and myself and myself and my old mate frankie Tontoh( drummer for George Michael, Amy Winehouse) doing our thing.

Started as a live morning looper jam I did. he took that and recorded drums, sent it back to me and I then recorded bass and hammond while videoing . sent it back and he made the video from my audio mix.

the audio for the guitar is from my phone!!!

335/ tweedle dee/ line 6 helix OD/reverb 1x12 alnico cream phone mic
1960 P bass, flatwound strings D.I.
GSI VB3ii organ
Multi mic drums in FT studio.

all one takes no editing/repairs almost like live there's a few clams in there to prove it . enjoy your Sunday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6m1lfuOjMI



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[martin manning]

Very nice groove there! I’ve been listening to those morning looper jams too.

So here the phone is recording video and audio? What apps are used for each step, and what puts all the video tiles together?

PS Maybe this becomes the DC (digital collaboration) thread.

[Koolaide]

I like it. Thanks for sharing.
Just had a lightbulb moment (for me). You could jam with anyone, anywhere, anytime. Just what I need another aspect of music to be interested in. Be sure to thank Marcus, Marcus, Marcus and Frankie for me.

I understand the concepts of putting this together, just not the how's.

Peace,
Jim

[norburybrook]

Very nice groove there! I’ve been listening to those morning looper jams too.

So here the phone is recording video and audio? What apps are used for each step, and what puts all the video tiles together?

PS Maybe this becomes the DC (digital collaboration) thread.

the phone recorded video and audio ONLY for the original guitar looper jam. This was because they were meant as throw away things for fun so I just switched on the amp, picked up a guitar hit record on my phone and off i went.

Frankie took the video I did, so that became the master as i had done a kind of bass line with the looper and a couple of rhythm parts as well. He loaded that into Logic on his mac then basically played along with it in his headphones while recording his performance using the normal multi mic studio set up and video from his phone.

He then sent me a stereo mix of his drums and my looper.
I then imported those into a new cubase 10 session on my Daw (windows 10 machine) and recorded a bass track which was d.i.'d (direct injection)and keyboard track which is a virtual instrument as I would with any normal session. I filmed this using my phone as well.


I then mixed the 4 stems to a stereo file and sent Frankie the stereo 48k master file along with the video's of my bass/Hammond performance and he put that into Final cut pro on his mac and made the video.

so it's basically just sending files (performances) back and forth. Obviously there has a to be a guide/starting point and then everyone does their thing on top of that. If you're early in the chain then you won't have much to react to musically but it works.


from a technical point of view then I could have re done the guitar parts and recorded them properly once the rhythm section was done but it would be very easy to get caught up in making it perfect etc and it might lose the spontaneity and looseness it has so I left it as is.

I do remote sessions like this for people and as long as everyone is working from the same start point every time and or a click track then it's easy..as long as you have an internet connection.

what you cannot do remotely is Jam/play in real time together.

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[martin manning]

Cool, thanks! That seems to work nicely, even with the cross-platform steps. The software I mentioned in the other thread, Jacktrip, can do real time with manageable latency as long as the distance isn't too great, I think it has to be within a few hundred miles: https://online.stanford.edu/courses/soh ... technology

[norburybrook]

Cool, thanks! That seems to work nicely, even with the cross-platform steps. The software I mentioned in the other thread, Jacktrip, can do real time with manageable latency as long as the distance isn't too great, I think it has to be within a few hundred miles: https://online.stanford.edu/courses/soh ... technology

Yes i've seen things about various 'live' software. However in practice most musicians I work with are very touchy about any latency so none of them work well enough to have the tight timing you'd want/need. There is a huge thread on Gearslutz about this exact thing, there are a lot of claims about this but it seems as i said not to work as advertised.

most of this software tries to get round it by buffering people at fixed lengths which makes people 'think' they're playing live but they're actually not so any interaction is always a bar (measure)out. so a band can jam along on a 1 chord groove and think it's all hunky dory but everyone is actually a whole measure behind everyone else. If everything is fixed arrangement wise that's not an issue, but it's not live in the true sense. Networking switches all add latency and add that to the AD/DA and core audio or ASIO latency of your audio device and the laws of Physics start to mess timing up even at the speed of light


Will be interesting to see how this all pans out though. I still think that you need to be in the same physical space together to get the best experience. I'm old school though so perhaps the younger generation who have never had this will just make music differently.

[xtian]

I'll get right to work on my quantum entanglement plugin for all major DAWs. Zero latency, using spooky action at a distance. Thanks, Einstein!

[pompeiisneaks]

That's a great jam, nice and chill for a sunday morning, thanks Marcus.

~Phil

[didit]

I'll get right to work on my quantum entanglement plugin for all major DAWs. Zero latency, using spooky action at a distance. Thanks, Einstein!

More or less Schrödinger's cat -- You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat.

https://news.fnal.gov/2020/07/u-s-depar ... net-event/

Best .. Ian

[didit]

Cool, thanks! That seems to work nicely, even with the cross-platform steps. The software I mentioned in the other thread, Jacktrip, can do real time with manageable latency as long as the distance isn't too great, I think it has to be within a few hundred miles: https://online.stanford.edu/courses/soh ... technology

Yes i've seen things about various 'live' software. However in practice most musicians I work with are very touchy about any latency so none of them work well enough to have the tight timing you'd want/need. There is a huge thread on Gearslutz about this exact thing, there are a lot of claims about this but it seems as i said not to work as advertised.

most of this software tries to get round it by buffering people at fixed lengths which makes people 'think' they're playing live but they're actually not so any interaction is always a bar (measure)out. so a band can jam along on a 1 chord groove and think it's all hunky dory but everyone is actually a whole measure behind everyone else. If everything is fixed arrangement wise that's not an issue, but it's not live in the true sense. Networking switches all add latency and add that to the AD/DA and core audio or ASIO latency of your audio device and the laws of Physics start to mess timing up even at the speed of light


Will be interesting to see how this all pans out though. I still think that you need to be in the same physical space together to get the best experience. I'm old school though so perhaps the younger generation who have never had this will just make music differently.

I'm with you Marcus. Although it's possible to shrink delay with closer network proximity it will never achieve the necessary immediacy of true presence. Feel slightly qualified to make this assertive observation as my day job involves building this Internet infrastructure stuff to make our living.

Best .. Ian

[Phil_S]

Thoroughly enjoyable! Thank you for sharing. (What clams?)

[dorrisant]

That is the kind of thing we've been trying out here... using Zoom and Tascam compact recorders. Passing tracks back and forth. So good to stretch the limits of resourcefulness.

Thanks for posting!

[norburybrook]

Thoroughly enjoyable! Thank you for sharing. (What clams?)

thanks Phil...I meant .'Jazz'

@Dorrisant, yes it doesn't matter what the format is as everyone is just overdubbing from the last performance. No different from being in a studio and doing the same. Hope you end up with some great tracks



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[10thTx]

That was a great fun listen! THANKS for sharing! Super tasty playing. Enjoyed it a lot.

With respect, Jeff

[stelligan]

Groovy baby. Tweedle sounds very fine as well.
Tasty listen.