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Opinions on delicate treble cut in slope

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I have a very delicate balancing act I need to accomplish. With a very small treble cap and a very deep slope I only need to lose a couple decibels of treble at the knee. It can't be done before the tonestack and I don't want to snub the circuit over plates or from mixers. I am not trying to dull the amp, only flatten the treble response very slightly earlier.

Just want to hear a consensus view on creative ideas how to balance the bite.

Amp is a monster. I want to be able to drop the gain even more but still have the treble pickups sing.

Whatcha thinkin'?

Pres is 12k tail 5k/.1u and 100k on the 4R. Treble cap is tiny, slope is huge. I think that is all you should know for this imagineering experiment. :D
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It's sounds like your already playing around with modeling this circuit, so why not keep messing around with component values?

If your not modeling this circuit then it's time to do such.

Your speaker will have a big effect on this treble response area also.

A speaker with a flatter responce between 1.5k and 2k is what I find works for me.

I also find that running the preamp section into at least a 12 band graiphic eq can help you zoom in on things also.
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No, that isn't the rule. The rule is it has to be something really creative so we can all marvel at the simplicity and perfection.

Dave said put a 22-47p or so on the midrange control. It might work. I have used 1kp there to murder the curve before. It was weird. I liked it ok.
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A notch filter with a wider Q and limited depth
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Ehh I went down a rabbit hole with a switch and a 47p cap.

and i still

havent found

what i'm looking for
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r-eeeka

Moved a couple wires. Shortened one. Used shielded wire from master to PI. (about 2 inches) and rearranged bright cap switch terminations. These were areas almost ringing when idle. Solid move. I ended up removing a small snubber over a plate to get back a little of what had been previously *too much*.

I have a discovery tool I might have mentioned a couple times way back. A little steel spatula. Find-A-Field. I am worried to suggest you make one because it might also become a voltage detector..

... and that would be very bad.
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Lead dress : the hidden equalizer
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Spatula: Oh! There you are!

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WhopperPlate wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:41 pm Lead dress : the hidden equalizer
Or oscillator circuit.🙂
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TUBEDUDE wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:11 pm
WhopperPlate wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 3:41 pm Lead dress : the hidden equalizer
Or oscillator circuit.🙂
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I have always thought to approach high gain builds like this: put coax in from the beginning where you know it is needed and change wire runs to coax later to get the amp to calm down. The coax kills highs with every inch, so I try to use as little as possible til I know I need it elsewhere. On the recent #34/#36 amps I have found that they need more coax, not just for the oscillations but it reduced the treble to a more pleasant level.
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