Swart Topology?

[EstimatedAntelope]

I have a buddy who really wants something in the area of a Swart. I've been building some clones for friends lately and figured why not learn about Swart. The problem is a lot of the player communities are all cork sniffing and using those crazy buzzwords vs really getting into what the amp is.

I've read a lot of the circuits started as a Gibson, but other guys talk about them being closer to BF Fender with british voiced speakers and tweed aesthetics.

Anyone have a better take on what to start with for the Swart sound? My friend plays some nasty Mulecasters and we're scheming up an amp with tight bass in a small package that can handle B tuning along with typical pedal needs for his playing.

Thanks

[Reeltarded]

No clue except the last thing about tight bass and low B

2x10s is better than 1x12

[EstimatedAntelope]

2x10s is better than 1x12

I have a 2x10 with some JBL K110s in it I really want this guy to try with my Bandmaster so he hears how tight they are. He's also talking about a 1x15...I wonder if I can convince him to run a 1x15 combo and 2x10 extension solely so I can try it out with his axes...

[Stevem]

A 35 watt rms Bandmaster with drop tuning if playing in a live situation will not cut it even with two 15" drivers!
If your mic'ed up live its a different story of course.

You need a minimum of a output stage that can produce 100 watts rms and even then it requires a tight power supply with a choke.

[Reeltarded]

Yes needs more headroom than a Bandmaster. Does EV make 10s again? A closed and tuned 2x10 cab with a head will not flub out and it will cut. It is a virtual 20" driver with natural heavy damping. A directional baritone cannon..

I dunno what a Swart is though.. hmm..

[Reeltarded]

ok... they are toys with a narrative.

Let me guess for us. lol

You are going to be making a 60w single Hi input tweed Bassman head, and the choice you get to make is in selecting a PI. I would pick Marshall LTP with .1u caps. Higher plate on input stage.. 150-180k maybe. This amp needs little or no NFB and a Vox cut instead of presence.

Steve is right about the headroom but I think 60w can do it. 50u and 20h choke.


OMG I just designed a new amp for Nik Hi, Nik!

[xtian]

ok... they are toys with a narrative.

Spot on. Nice cabinetry helps sell amps.

[EstimatedAntelope]

ok... they are toys with a narrative.

Let me guess for us. lol

You are going to be making a 60w single Hi input tweed Bassman head, and the choice you get to make is in selecting a PI. I would pick Marshall LTP with .1u caps. Higher plate on input stage.. 150-180k maybe. This amp needs little or no NFB and a Vox cut instead of presence.

Steve is right about the headroom but I think 60w can do it. 50u and 20h choke.


OMG I just designed a new amp for Nik Hi, Nik!

The sexy cabinets don't attract me too much but I can see how dropping a few thousand on a 5w amp gets some folks off haha.

I think the issue is this guy wants lower wattage so he can enjoy it at home and mic it as needed for his gigs (sort of alt country / roots rock). I think I'll scare him off if I say 60W. I'm trying to figure out what it is the Swart does or imitates so that I can steer him in that direction as a starting point vs jumping toward some ultra boutique one trick pony.

[Reeltarded]

This amp will rock at all volumes. Add post inverted master and it sounds the same from 1-10 if you use cut instead of presence. Like, identical whole range.

Here is the eternal problem. For guitar in a radio rock situation, an AC30 barely keeps up with a snare. It has cleans if the guitar is alone for an intro. When the band comes in, that is over.

50w Marshall minimum non-toy professional gig amp. This guy wants headroom. 60w is about the end of the line for a pair of 6l6GC that doesn't sound angry or stressed.

We already know what Swart amps are. They are toys. They have the most common stage and a collapsible PI to a single-dead ended output.

"Nice suitcase! Is that Gucci? I see it's full of old rags and streamer swag.."

I have no doubt they sound like the best $400 single ended amp you ever played. They also sound similar to the best $600 single ended amp you ever played. They are basically how to use a tube manuals. You know what you could do is cram a silver face Champ in a new box and charge him $2500.

[EstimatedAntelope]

ok... they are toys with a narrative.

Let me guess for us. lol

You are going to be making a 60w single Hi input tweed Bassman head, and the choice you get to make is in selecting a PI. I would pick Marshall LTP with .1u caps. Higher plate on input stage.. 150-180k maybe. This amp needs little or no NFB and a Vox cut instead of presence.

Steve is right about the headroom but I think 60w can do it. 50u and 20h choke.


OMG I just designed a new amp for Nik Hi, Nik!

So basically you're pointing at a sleeker, meaner Super Reverb with a few tricks?

[Reeltarded]

Hmm.. that could work. The bandwidth wider, the circuit cut to muscle and bone. Yeah.

[TUBEDUDE]

More like a modded 2x10" Pro Reverb.

[Reeltarded]

I am partial to the Super Amp and hell yeah Pro.