Amp Noise Help!!!

General discussion area for tube amps.

Moderators: pompeiisneaks, Colossal

Travis8
Posts: 51
Joined: Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:47 am

Amp Noise Help!!!

Post by Travis8 »

Hi! I have one marshall 1987x with noise when I turn up high treble volume, some ideas about this problem?


Thanks :)

Here is the noise (it´s very anoying)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xf6d90 ... sp=sharing
Travis8
Posts: 51
Joined: Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:47 am

Re: Amp Noise Help!!!

Post by Travis8 »

The noise still there with any cable connected
Stevem
Posts: 5144
Joined: Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:01 pm
Location: 1/3rd the way out one of the arms of the Milkyway.

Re: Amp Noise Help!!!

Post by Stevem »

Inside the amp the green wires going to each preamp tube are grid wires and the should get raised up above the other wires as much as possible.

There’s also a purple wire going to the presence control.
This should be moved away from the preamp section as much as possible also, in fact it’s a good idea to replace it with a shielded cable that’s ground at the front / pot side of the amp only.
When I die, I want to go like my Grandfather did, peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming like the passengers in his car!

Cutting out a man's tongue does not mean he’s a liar, but it does show that you fear the truth he might speak about you!
Travis8
Posts: 51
Joined: Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:47 am

Re: Amp Noise Help!!!

Post by Travis8 »

Stevem wrote: Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:39 pm Inside the amp the green wires going to each preamp tube are grid wires and the should get raised up above the other wires as much as possible.

There’s also a purple wire going to the presence control.
This should be moved away from the preamp section as much as possible also, in fact it’s a good idea to replace it with a shielded cable that’s ground at the front / pot side of the amp only.
Thanks, also I read I can take out C5 and the noise dissapear.

It´s that´s true?
Stevem
Posts: 5144
Joined: Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:01 pm
Location: 1/3rd the way out one of the arms of the Milkyway.

Re: Amp Noise Help!!!

Post by Stevem »

C5 is a coupling cap and needs to be there to block DC voltage and pass just the audio signal on down stream just like C2 does for the other channel.
When I die, I want to go like my Grandfather did, peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming like the passengers in his car!

Cutting out a man's tongue does not mean he’s a liar, but it does show that you fear the truth he might speak about you!
User avatar
johnnyreece
Posts: 1072
Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:05 am
Location: New Castle, IN

Re: Amp Noise Help!!!

Post by johnnyreece »

Is this a new noise, or has it been this way since you got it? Have you tried swapping in known good tubes?
Travis8
Posts: 51
Joined: Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:47 am

Re: Amp Noise Help!!!

Post by Travis8 »

Stevem wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:49 am C5 is a coupling cap and needs to be there to block DC voltage and pass just the audio signal on down stream just like C2 does for the other channel.

If I reduce this C5 the hiss could dissapear?
Travis8
Posts: 51
Joined: Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:47 am

Re: Amp Noise Help!!!

Post by Travis8 »

johnnyreece wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:54 am Is this a new noise, or has it been this way since you got it? Have you tried swapping in known good tubes?
I try new tubes and the noise still there.
Stevem
Posts: 5144
Joined: Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:01 pm
Location: 1/3rd the way out one of the arms of the Milkyway.

Re: Amp Noise Help!!!

Post by Stevem »

If swapping the tubes did nothing then one of the two plate load resistors for that channels tube may be going bad.

These are 20 cent parts that take two minutes to unsolder and replace with a new one.

If you do so then up grade them from 1/2 watt up to 1 watt for even less noise and longer life!
When I die, I want to go like my Grandfather did, peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming like the passengers in his car!

Cutting out a man's tongue does not mean he’s a liar, but it does show that you fear the truth he might speak about you!
Travis8
Posts: 51
Joined: Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:47 am

Re: Amp Noise Help!!!

Post by Travis8 »

Stevem wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:31 pm If swapping the tubes did nothing then one of the two plate load resistors for that channels tube may be going bad.

These are 20 cent parts that take two minutes to unsolder and replace with a new one.

If you do so then up grade them from 1/2 watt up to 1 watt for even less noise and longer life!
I will try! This resistor is on V2 (100k)
Travis8
Posts: 51
Joined: Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:47 am

Re: Amp Noise Help!!!

Post by Travis8 »

I replace the resistor and it´s look like some noise go away but when I push presence and trebble to 10 and I turn up a little bright volume make noise

(I try it without any guitar plug in)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1q69HTE ... sp=sharing
User avatar
Reeltarded
Posts: 10189
Joined: Sat Feb 14, 2009 4:38 am
Location: GA USA

Re: Amp Noise Help!!!

Post by Reeltarded »

Your grid wires are poorly routed and you need to fly the NFB above the board (like Steve said)
.

Also... YOUR AMP IS UNSHIELDED UNLESS IT IS MOUNTED IN THE CABINET

Put the amp back in the headbox. Problem nearly solved.
Signatures have a 255 character limit that I could abuse, but I am not Cecil B. DeMille.
Stevem
Posts: 5144
Joined: Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:01 pm
Location: 1/3rd the way out one of the arms of the Milkyway.

Re: Amp Noise Help!!!

Post by Stevem »

If your just getting hiss and not a 120 hz grounding buzz then you can play around with this, just note that at some point you will start to roll off some top end sparkle ,
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
When I die, I want to go like my Grandfather did, peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming like the passengers in his car!

Cutting out a man's tongue does not mean he’s a liar, but it does show that you fear the truth he might speak about you!
User avatar
Reeltarded
Posts: 10189
Joined: Sat Feb 14, 2009 4:38 am
Location: GA USA

Re: Amp Noise Help!!!

Post by Reeltarded »

or return the chassis to the shielded place where it lives..

These amp have ONE TREMENDOUS problem. The mixer bypass is 4700p. That needs to GO and can be replaced with a much smaller bright cap over the Vol I control. Do not heat the cap to remove it. Rock it about 14 times and pull it off the board. :lol:
Signatures have a 255 character limit that I could abuse, but I am not Cecil B. DeMille.
Stevem
Posts: 5144
Joined: Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:01 pm
Location: 1/3rd the way out one of the arms of the Milkyway.

Re: Amp Noise Help!!!

Post by Stevem »

A high pass cap added across a volume pot will only be functional up until you get to 50% of the pots resistance range,
After that it’s out of the circuit and does not make a dam bit of difference should that matter to you in regards to how loud you normally play the amp.
When I die, I want to go like my Grandfather did, peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming like the passengers in his car!

Cutting out a man's tongue does not mean he’s a liar, but it does show that you fear the truth he might speak about you!
Post Reply