It is possible to use one OT with dual primaries for two completely separate sets of tubes and have them share a common secondary? I included a sketch to show what I'm talking about.
I've seen Marshall use dual OT's but I've never seen this before.
Dual Primary OT - Is this possible?
Moderators: pompeiisneaks, Colossal
-
MarshallPlexi
- Posts: 69
- Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:55 am
Dual Primary OT - Is this possible?
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
-
Stevem
- Posts: 5144
- Joined: Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:01 pm
- Location: 1/3rd the way out one of the arms of the Milkyway.
Re: Dual Primary OT - Is this possible?
Sure, as long as the plate voltage is cut off from the unused output tubes.
Hammond kinda does the same thing on there OTs ( non stock replacement types), but on the secondary windings.
I am not sure but the duel primary set may not allow for interleaved windings to be done if that's a concern?
Hammond kinda does the same thing on there OTs ( non stock replacement types), but on the secondary windings.
I am not sure but the duel primary set may not allow for interleaved windings to be done if that's a concern?
When I die, I want to go like my Grandfather did, peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming like the passengers in his car!
Cutting out a man's tongue does not mean he’s a liar, but it does show that you fear the truth he might speak about you!
Not screaming like the passengers in his car!
Cutting out a man's tongue does not mean he’s a liar, but it does show that you fear the truth he might speak about you!
- VacuumVoodoo
- Posts: 924
- Joined: Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:27 pm
- Location: Goteborg, Sweden
- Contact:
Re: Dual Primary OT - Is this possible?
SE or PP? your sketch shows SE primary windings.
Keeping a common secondary winding and winding 2 primaries, one having roughly 1.75 times the number of winding turns than the other is not the best idea IMO. The winding with fewer number of turns will have 3x lower inductance resulting in 3x higher low frequency bandwidth limit. Your low end will go out the window.
Two secondaries are better if you must have the option.
Keeping a common secondary winding and winding 2 primaries, one having roughly 1.75 times the number of winding turns than the other is not the best idea IMO. The winding with fewer number of turns will have 3x lower inductance resulting in 3x higher low frequency bandwidth limit. Your low end will go out the window.
Two secondaries are better if you must have the option.
Aleksander Niemand
------------------------
Life's a party but you get invited only once...
affiliation:TUBEWONDER AMPS
Zagray!-review
------------------------
Life's a party but you get invited only once...
affiliation:TUBEWONDER AMPS
Zagray!-review
Re: Dual Primary OT - Is this possible?
Heyboer can wind a dual primary OT.
The OT I got with my D'lite amp had a 4K and a 8K primary so you could run 6L6 or 6V6.
The secondary has 4, 8, 16 ohm taps.
I think it is a 50w OT.
The OT I got with my D'lite amp had a 4K and a 8K primary so you could run 6L6 or 6V6.
The secondary has 4, 8, 16 ohm taps.
I think it is a 50w OT.
Tom
Don't let that smoke out!
Don't let that smoke out!
Re: Dual Primary OT - Is this possible?
I've gotten a triple primary from MM for a JTM build. It has 3.4k, 6.6k and 8k. A big mess but very nice for being able to noodle with different tubes and settings.
-
MarshallPlexi
- Posts: 69
- Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:55 am
Re: Dual Primary OT - Is this possible?
My bad! They are both push pull. Sorry it was late when I posted that.VacuumVoodoo wrote:SE or PP? your sketch shows SE primary windings.
Keeping a common secondary winding and winding 2 primaries, one having roughly 1.75 times the number of winding turns than the other is not the best idea IMO. The winding with fewer number of turns will have 3x lower inductance resulting in 3x higher low frequency bandwidth limit. Your low end will go out the window.
Two secondaries are better if you must have the option.
Any problems with running two independent sets of of tubes at the SAME TIME with this kind of setup? Like 2x 6V6's and 4x 6L6's?
-
bruce egnater
- Posts: 72
- Joined: Sun May 13, 2007 4:46 am
- Location: Michigan
- Contact:
Re: Dual Primary OT - Is this possible?
If your idea is to parallel the two different tube pairs (quads), you would more likely tap the primary at the desired impedances rather than two individual windings. Look at the Boogie Simulclass circuit. Though not exactly what you are doing, it is a similar concept.
Re: Dual Primary OT - Is this possible?
In that case what is the total impedance the speakers see?
Instead of 2.2K or 6.6K does the amp see 9K?
Instead of 2.2K or 6.6K does the amp see 9K?
Tom
Don't let that smoke out!
Don't let that smoke out!
- martin manning
- Posts: 14308
- Joined: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:43 am
- Location: 39°06' N 84°30' W
Re: Dual Primary OT - Is this possible?
You would have a primary that looks like a UL, where the "inner" taps would be at 1/(6600/2200)^0.5=57.7%. The turns ratio for the "outer" taps to match an 8 ohm secondary would be (6600/16)^0.5.