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Deric
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Peavey Ultra Plus problems...

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Picked up a Peavey Ultra Plus head cheap because my metal-head business partner mentioned on several occasions that he'd like to have one. Paid a buck-twenty for it (no footswitch).

Sounds decent (ish), no hum/excess hiss but.... When the gain is cranked on the Ultra channel it squeals. Squeal starts a little less than halfway up on the gain pot. Swapped tubes, tried a 5751 in V1 with no luck...

Noticable mods that have been done.... The ribbon cable to V1a has been replaced with individual wires. When I opened it up the grid and plate wires were twisted together, so were the filament and cathode grounds. I unsoldered and un-twisted the wires...no luck. Chopsticking them, the grid/plate wires seem to make a difference but not much....

Looking at the schematic I thought I found something: C11 from the gain pots had a resistor in it's place.....pulled the boards, pulled the resistor.... Hmph, it's a capacitor that looks like a resistor - never seen that before :shock: - turns out Peavey used them a lot. Cap tests fine....

On the bottom of the board there is some discoloration of the ground trace around the cap for V1, input jacks and the cap for the filaments. There is also a replacement resistor on the pre-amp tube board for the filaments. Thinking maybe there was a filament issue that burned the ribbon cable. ???

Checked all the grounds around the discolored traces - all test fine. A wire was added to the filament cap but it seems good too.

With no signal plugged in (grounds on input jacks are good) I can see the squeal on both the grid and the plate of V1a. Somehow, when the gain is cranked something is getting back to the grid of V1a.... I think....

Re-flowed solder joints on caps and anything else that looked suspicious - no change. Considering cutting the trace for the greid near the input jacks and adding a shielded wire - haven't tried that yet.

Any suggestions, comments etc. appreciated. Pics and schem attached....
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Re: Peavey Ultra Plus problems...

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So....2 years later....

I messed with this thing for a while and put it aside.... Last week a guy brings me a Peavey 5150. Same squeal problem and low output...

Swapped tubes, re-flowed EVERY solder pad, cleaned and re-tensioned all tubes sockets and ribbon cables... no luck.

After some Googlin' found out that lots of Peaveys from this era have problems with the "clamp" circuit that keeps the relay from popping when switching channels. Clipped out the jFET for the "clamp" circuit and the volume came back. Squeal was still there. Turns out the last filter cap (for the first pre-amp stage) is prone to failing open. Sounds fine until the gain is cranked...then..SQUEAL!!

Anyways... turns out this is a common issue on lots of early 5150 amps, 6505+ combos and a few others... like the Ultra Plus.

Thought I'd share just in case anyone might find the info useful...

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Re: Peavey Ultra Plus problems...

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thanks for the post, so once again those wonderful Tiwaness Made gray filters drive someone nuts, don't feel too bad, they fail so often in less than 10 year old Fender Amps it's not funny!
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Re: Peavey Ultra Plus problems...

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Deric wrote:So....2 years later....

I messed with this thing for a while and put it aside.... Last week a guy brings me a Peavey 5150. Same squeal problem and low output...

Swapped tubes, re-flowed EVERY solder pad, cleaned and re-tensioned all tubes sockets and ribbon cables... no luck.

After some Googlin' found out that lots of Peaveys from this era have problems with the "clamp" circuit that keeps the relay from popping when switching channels. Clipped out the jFET for the "clamp" circuit and the volume came back. Squeal was still there. Turns out the last filter cap (for the first pre-amp stage) is prone to failing open. Sounds fine until the gain is cranked...then..SQUEAL!!

Anyways... turns out this is a common issue on lots of early 5150 amps, 6505+ combos and a few others... like the Ultra Plus.

Thought I'd share just in case anyone might find the info useful...

I may be slow, but at least I'm inefficient. 8)
The 5150 clamping circuit can have issues, but I wouldn't call it a common problem. I've seen a few 5150's that would pop when channel switching and a bad jfet was usually the cause. Maybe only 3 amps in 12 years of working with 5150's. Think I might have had one with low output and that was the problem, usually they pop.
Never changed a filter cap on a 5150 except for the middle cap of 3 behind the preamp tubes. That cap fails quite often and it will usually cause the volume controls to not work and the amp to be at full volume.
I've never seen squeal be anything more than just a preamp tube issue or a guitar shielding issue.
Jerry
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