Suhr BPSSC

[Structo]

I sure would like to see a picture of the Suhr system.

[angelodp]

hey Tom, just google BPSSC ... pics all over the net.

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[drz400]

Any of you guys using the Suhr BPSSS system. How do you like it.
yeah i know $260 .... but noiseless are about the same.

I disagree. I attempted to challege Suhr when he was still posting at TGP, but he never bit. A BPSSS for $260 doesn't do much unless you also buy pickups...so you're looking at $260 + $220 + shipping for Fralins, say. There's a small passive circuit board with some pots. OEM, maybe $15. A backplate and some formvar wire....$15. A bit of goo and a profit margin...I still see this costing about the same as a good strat pickup...in the $65 to $90 range. I would order two today, if he'd make that price reasonable. I can only conclude that he's not interested in volume and he wants it to be a high-zut product. When the patent dies, they'll be ubiquitous.

They already do install a coil in Lam tops on their Teles. Pete Thorn from Chris Cornell has one and it is sweet.

The thing that you forget is that Suhr does not make the SSC or own the patent. Illitch Electronics does, it was just that Suhr was the only person to believe that the system is the best way to go, he ordered the numbers and had an exclusive. He buys the system from Ilitch and has had an exclusive which I believe is expired because they didnt move the growing numbers that Ilitch wanted. His hands were tied by the price he was paying for the system and the licensing fee, he was never very pleased about the price he was forced to charge and was apologetic when I talked to him about it since I do understand the cost of materials when I ordered my guitar. You could say the same thing about the price of amps around here though He only added his marketing and support costs to a high cost he was being charged. I have talked to him about this a few times, no need to speculate, he doesn't hide anything and is very easy to contact. I had an EJ strat and I did the backplate after I already had a set of Suhr v60's, they replaced my middle pickup for free since the pickups were only a few months old they will also do $25 rewinds, you can also install with the system not on the middle pickup or change the middle position to all 3 pickups and then it works fine with a RWRP middle. Very nice of them I thought to exchange the pickup so the system really just cost me the backplate. The backplate was good but I ordered a Suhr Classic with the built in system that I liked better. The built in system also works WAY better built in compared to the backplate. It is also quite a bit more work and BTW you can not do it on a PCB, they tried that since I brought that up as well. The built in system is more quiet and does not change the tone at all from what I can tell compared to the backplate. Price ... yes it is a healthy upcharge but if you compare the total price to other similar builders the guitar still wound up costing the same as the other builders who didnt offer it. Prior to this I tried the DiMarzios and the Kinmans, no comparison IMO, I love the lack of change. I think Suhr would be happy if the patent was contested, he has no benefits from it but has done most of the actual R&D and promotion.
BTW they are now offering the built in system on guitars they know will fit like classic Strat shaped guitars.

[angelodp]

Why are the built ins working better. What is the difference in doing it on a stock Strat ( assume all similar wind and polarity )

ange

[drz400]

Why are the built ins working better. What is the difference in doing it on a stock Strat ( assume all similar wind and polarity )

ange

He said there were space limitations with the backplate so they had to use more wire and a smaller coil.
The internal coil is larger so it has less to virtually no inductance, lower DC resistance and is on the same plane as the pickups and placed in a more optimum position.