Takman resistors

[syscokid]

So the leads will span a full width marshall 2204 build?

I'll have to look into them if they are strong enough.

1watt Takman vs 1watt Xicon:

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[jbrrrrr]

Edit - practically every sound I have ever described is based on my observations, according “to my ears”. This is a given. There are at least two twenty page back and forth discussions with RG somewhere where I have made this abundantly clear. Maybe it’s selective hearing . Beyond that, I would never assume anyone would assume I meant anything else when I say anything about sonic characteristics of anything, unless I have explicitly said otherwise.

It's worth considering that there are many people who come across only a single instance of one of these claims in a thread, who have no knowledge of other similar statements that have been disclaimed as opinion only.

Lots of people come across very randomly specific threads in the search for information about other things, and I think it's a valid concern to make sure that there aren't people needlessly led to believe something as fact that cannot be proven - especially people who are new-ish to the craft and haven't encountered the range of opinions on the impact of brands, years, colors, shapes, or sizes of resistors beyond just their specific composition and value. Hopefully everyone *knows* that any statements made here should be taken with a grain of salt, but for the sake of anyone naively impressionable, I don't think it's too large of a request to just make sure any statements that can't be presented with tangible evidence have some sort of disclaimer that it is only in your experience, and not everyone else may have the same.

Not everyone has the awareness of the two twenty-page back and forth discussions that might have made this clear elsewhere, nor should they be expected to go back and do that kind of research.

[WhopperPlate]

Edit - practically every sound I have ever described is based on my observations, according “to my ears”. This is a given. There are at least two twenty page back and forth discussions with RG somewhere where I have made this abundantly clear. Maybe it’s selective hearing . Beyond that, I would never assume anyone would assume I meant anything else when I say anything about sonic characteristics of anything, unless I have explicitly said otherwise.

It's worth considering that there are many people who come across only a single instance of one of these claims in a thread, who have no knowledge of other similar statements that have been disclaimed as opinion only.

Lots of people come across very randomly specific threads in the search for information about other things, and I think it's a valid concern to make sure that there aren't people needlessly led to believe something as fact that cannot be proven - especially people who are new-ish to the craft and haven't encountered the range of opinions on the impact of brands, years, colors, shapes, or sizes of resistors beyond just their specific composition and value. Hopefully everyone *knows* that any statements made here should be taken with a grain of salt, but for the sake of anyone naively impressionable, I don't think it's too large of a request to just make sure any statements that can't be presented with tangible evidence have some sort of disclaimer that it is only in your experience, and not everyone else may have the same.

Not everyone has the awareness of the two twenty-page back and forth discussions that might have made this clear elsewhere, nor should they be expected to go back and do that kind of research.

I would hope anyone building anything as complex as an amplifier, that requires a certain high degree of knowledge to approach, would have the critical thinking capacity to carry a grain of salt and not assume anything stated about what anyone personally hears as gospel, let alone a single person, and would instead cross reference against the nearly endless resources available to them .

It’s 2024; information is vast…why only listen to me?

I could say the same thing about building a pedal board, or choosing a guitar , or making a soup or a stew …or choosing a personal philosophy or religion… Seems like an unnecessary disclaimer, but apparently not…

Again , I will thank all of those distribute their opinion , with or without such a disclaimer , and encourage them to do so, at the very least for my selfish benefit . God bless the opinion givers, may they continue to inspire us to experiment and grow.

[WhopperPlate]

But not to fan the flames (maybe just a little ), I have never seen any discussion regarding any (real or perceived) sonic properties of potentiometers. We have the signal running right through most of them, from one side to the other.

I would have to guess there are electrical differences between the available brands; the design & materials used, supporting components & level of manufacture.

I have plenty to say , but I will leave that to someone else to give their experience , because apparently my words carry a unique potential to either influence or inflame

Maybe later .

[WhopperPlate]

Tonex is superior


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And here is a great opportunity for all of us to recognize an opinion without a disclaimer. Does anyone really take this statement and run to the bank , throw away their amps, and carve into stone and hang above their workbench?

I admit , I am curious to at least try tonex since it’s reeltarded testifying

[R.G.]

But not to fan the flames (maybe just a little ), I have never seen any discussion regarding any (real or perceived) sonic properties of potentiometers. We have the signal running right through most of them, from one side to the other.

I would have to guess there are electrical differences between the available brands; the design & materials used, supporting components & level of manufacture.

There is no question that there are electrical differences between the available brands. However, there are possibly electrical differences within the same brand, from batch to batch, and from series to series. I wonder how big those differences are, and whether they affect resistor tolerance, drifting, voltage coefficient of resistance (that is, resistor distortion), voltage withstanding, power rating, operating temperature, what? And are any of those reliably audible?
The concept of "brand" is nebulous in the business world (and resistor manufacturers, after all, are businesses). Contract manufacturers are happy to manufacture [stuff] and print any label on it that a wholesale buyer wants. This is the "recipes" argument from the first 20 pages. Without further qualification, "brand" can only mean "label printed on the box, bag or carton". Manufacturers do not test for or care whether the stuff they sell has other side effects that are not on the data sheets of the products.
It's a little surprising to me. Any guitar-anything aficionado who has any belief in vintage-is-better should be strongly in favor of "brand" not being The Important Thing.
So yeah, the devil is always in the details. But WHICH devil, how big, and what color? Did the manufacturer decide that since green devils are 0.03 cents cheaper per unit, they should just quietly switch from the previous blue devils to green devils from a different source and not tell anyone? How could we tell if they didn't confess to changing devils under the same brand?

Aaaaaand welcome back, Whopper.

[...] apparently my words carry a unique potential to either influence or inflame

I personally don't think it's unique. Opinion-based and non-measurable advice is as old as the human race. It's been done for a long time, and will undoubtedly continue.

Maybe Iskar, Piher, and Takman really do make an amplifier as a whole sound [some descriptor]. Maybe. Let's' figure out how to tell, solidly, a yes or no that a disinterested party could also figure out. Repeatable measurements are very new relative to the human race, and have produced some real wins - like tubes, transformers, resistors and capacitors, even electricity itself.

[WhopperPlate]

Thanks for once again confirming that my words do that, specifically for at least you.

even though you say I have declared that I have made myself “clear”, this last response only further highlights that you never actually read what I said in those 20 pages, or let alone in the last 3 . As promised , not going to defend myself and repeat myself further. As you say , “go in peace”

[R.G.]

Tonex is superior

And here is a great opportunity for all of us to recognize an opinion without a disclaimer. Does anyone really take this statement and run to the bank , throw away their amps, and carve into stone and hang above their workbench?

I admit , I am curious to at least try tonex since it’s reeltarded testifying

OK, discussion has shifted away from [this component brand] sounds {like something specific} and to whether opinions need noting as opinions, not facts.

Since you have clearly stated that

Ladies and gentlemen, all due respect to everyone, this will be the last time I attempt to defend myself on this matter, and I will not be wasting anyone’s time further by pointing out all I have stated more times than I can remember . Much love to you all and I look forward to hearing the opinions you share .

I'm surprised we're here again. Ah, well.
A good amount of the twenty pages we refer to was spent in you defending that since it was your opinion, and you had decades of experience with that opinion, there must be something real there. I have those pages in a file, and we can re-play them, but let's not, OK? Since this has been an issue you defended strongly, but now have publicly refuted, please just prefix "In my opinion" to the statements of opinion.
Using someone else's opinion as a straw man for defending opinion-based-argument is fairly transparent.

[WhopperPlate]

I'm surprised we're here again. Ah, well.

That makes one of us. I can no longer be surprised at this unfair treatment and criticism . Going in peace.

[sluckey]

I have those pages in a file, and we can re-play them, but let's not, OK?

Thanks! Let's play this instead...

[R.G.]

I'm good with that.

[WhopperPlate]

Choosing to watch 10 hours of lamb chop instead of actually reading what I have said …another unsurprising moment

[johnnyreece]

Not trying to pick a fight anywhere, but it reminded me of a quote I saw about when "cryo treating" guitar parts was all the rage (quote not mine, for extra clarification):

I freeze all the electronic parts of my guitars. It gives them a piquant, morsellated quality, with none of the unctuousness of more garrigue components.

[R.G.]

Charlie, please stop this. You seem to think you're unfairly criticized, according to your post. I keep trying to reset this debate to - well, a debate based on facts. That doesn't seem to work for you.

I respect that you have your opinions, however you came to them. I personally think that it would be fairer to the readers if you would preface any opinions not supported by fact with "in my opinion".

[Tone Lover]

So let’s get back to the resisters personally. I like these because the Leeds are nice and long and made of thicker wire. The color is good and when I check there tolerance for were there supposed to be there very consistent. Now I use a lot of differant kinds. Some Are a little looser with there tolerance . I use a lot of x icons there great I’ve build many an amp. Do I find more with a little greater spread in there tolerance yes. But I’m anal and measure everything before I use it. And actually write it down on my schematic.