Blackface style pre-amp/weird vol. pot behaviour

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Blackface style pre-amp/weird vol. pot behaviour

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(not sure if that would be better suited in the Fender section so feel free to move it)

I'm pretty ashamed I couldn't fix it myself but the point is I got no sound at all before 9 o'clock and then the volume starts to grow rather not progressively enough.

I started investigating around the taper of the (alpha) pots and measured that at noon the resistance between taper and "ground" is on average (over 3-4 pots) 10% of the overall one.

Anyway, it seems that the competition performs no better in that respect. See (from: https://www.it11audio.com/tag/potentiometer)

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so I'm surprised that I couldn't find much information about that "issue" and wonder: is everybody using Fender pots or am I missing the obvious... :?:
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I recall the topic being raised occasionally. Try including j taper in the search criteria.
Weber used to sell the required values with a faster taper, eg 25 or 30%.
Alternatively, try a linear pot, perhaps load it down a bit to slow the taper.
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Volume and treble controls in AB763 Blackface amps were 2-35 "J" taper. CTS are available in US: https://www.tubesandmore.com/products/p ... anel-mount Typical log or audio taper pots are at 10% of the total resistance at 50% rotation, with typically some small (5% rotation) flat at either end. A two-slope "curve" is typical for non-linear pots. If you have no sound until 9:00 (20% rotation), I would say the pot is damaged.
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Martin, is that what you used for your DR build? If so, do they have the elongated CCW end pad as per below?

Just to note that for well over 20 years, standard CTS 450 series pots typically have a elongated ‘flat’ CCW end pad, it takes up well over 10% of the available rotation before the wiper reaches the resistive track.
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Yes, I used the CTS pots I linked above. I didn't notice a dead spot coming off zero, but maybe I can get a chance to listen more closely.
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Thanks! I don't think the pot is damaged as I seem to recall that I managed to change it for another one, without success, but maybe ... I'm no more sure about anything related, right now.

About Fender pots, the most easily available to me is this one: http://www.banzaimusic.com/Fender-SS-1M-log.html but they don't say much about the taper - in contrast with this http://www.banzaimusic.com/Fender-SS-500k.html one... :?
pdf64 wrote: Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:09 am Alternatively, try a linear pot, perhaps load it down a bit to slow the taper.
Has anyone actually tinkered with pots and resistances?

I read several topics on the subject and I may as well do the maths for it myself, but ... :?:

EDIT: is http://www.banzaimusic.com/cts-dimple-ss-1m-log.html (solid shaft, dimple back) the CTS pot mentionned above?
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Still waiting for a (better) reply from Banzaï. They first answer was that the pot mentionned above was logarithmic ... :?

Does anyone know if and where I could get one of these in Europe, as Mouser doesn't seem to know anything about CTS pots, either... :?:
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https://www.tubeampdoctor.com/en/a1m-lo ... eter?c=385 See under Documents on that page... detailed specs are listed.
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