2020 Monkeymatic Black Butte Desktop #2
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2020 Monkeymatic Black Butte Desktop #2
Boredom is a good excuse for a beaks-and-feet build, right? Let's make it happen.
2020 Monkeymatic Black Butte Desktop #2 (FYI, here's #1, based on THD Univalve)
This one is based on the simple circuit in the Akai/Roberts M8 amps I turned into Black Buttes, but instead of 1 watt, this build will be closer to 10 watts, I think, using one 6L6GC as SE power tube.
[EDIT: layout updated 4/13/2020]
2020 Monkeymatic Black Butte Desktop #2 (FYI, here's #1, based on THD Univalve)
This one is based on the simple circuit in the Akai/Roberts M8 amps I turned into Black Buttes, but instead of 1 watt, this build will be closer to 10 watts, I think, using one 6L6GC as SE power tube.
[EDIT: layout updated 4/13/2020]
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Last edited by xtian on Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:57 pm, edited 4 times in total.
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Re: 2020 Monkeymatic Black Butte Desktop #2
looks fun! I wish I had a bin of beaks and feet transformers in the garage.
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Re: 2020 Monkeymatic Black Butte Desktop #2
looks great! is this a new concept you've arrived at?
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Excited to hear the finished product! I am sure it will sound stellar!
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Guy
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Re: 2020 Monkeymatic Black Butte Desktop #2
Xtian, looks like it's going to be another very cool build! I noticed the 470k grid leak is located after the power tube grid resistor.
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Thanks, Dave!
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Re: 2020 Monkeymatic Black Butte Desktop #2
She lives! But I wired the pots backwards. 
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Re: 2020 Monkeymatic Black Butte Desktop #2
Got it working. Sounds good. More details to follow.
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Badged.
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Re: 2020 Monkeymatic Black Butte Desktop #2
Very clean design there, Aaron! What is the operating point for the 6L6 (Va, Vg2, Vk, Zpri, and idle current)? How does it sound? A clip would be great...
Re: 2020 Monkeymatic Black Butte Desktop #2
Thank you, Martin. Details shown below. Best output, 12 watts, is using the White OT secondary into an 8-ohm speaker load. Data sheet shows that's a 2K5 primary load.
I'll get a recording posted soon.
I also changed the power tube's screen and grid resistors to 470R and 1K5.
I'll get a recording posted soon.
I also changed the power tube's screen and grid resistors to 470R and 1K5.
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Did you try it at 5k Zpri? I think that might be a bit better, that and bringing the screen voltage down some.
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In what way, "better"? Do you anticipate dropping the screen voltage will improve the character of the power tube distortion in some way?martin manning wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:59 pm Did you try it at 5k Zpri? I think that might be a bit better, that and bringing the screen voltage down some.
I measured each tap against 4/8/16R resistive loads, and the clean wattage output is shown on the yellow post-it, above. So, the yellow secondary, versus an 8-ohm load, gave me 8.8 watts, versus 12 watts using the white secondary.
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Re: 2020 Monkeymatic Black Butte Desktop #2
Typically you want the load line to be tangent to the max dissipation curve, and centered WRT to the available voltage swing, which is achieved when Z = V^2/Pa, which, for 390 Va-k and 30W, would be 5070Ω. Where you are now you're going over 100% when the signal goes positive. Screen voltage will then determine how well centered your bias point is on the anode curves (between cut-off and grid current limiting). You're biased about 5V to the cut-off side now (assuming a nominal spec tube), so lower screen voltage would bring it closer to centered.
Re: 2020 Monkeymatic Black Butte Desktop #2
Martin, thanks for helping me with the load lines! I replaced the first dropping resistor (4K7) with 15K. New conditions:
B+ 440
Va 426
Vg2 388
Vk 30.7 (66mA)
and I'm running with the nominal 8-ohm tap (5K primary).
The amp is sounding GREAT. Really smooth onset of distortion. And now I've installed an L-pad for bedroom volumes--works great.
B+ 440
Va 426
Vg2 388
Vk 30.7 (66mA)
and I'm running with the nominal 8-ohm tap (5K primary).
The amp is sounding GREAT. Really smooth onset of distortion. And now I've installed an L-pad for bedroom volumes--works great.
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