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Re: Ampeg V2

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Smokebreak wrote:Problem stays with the socket on tube switch.
Ok so hold that thought.
Smokebreak wrote:Martin, I'm a little confused. Reading across the 100K bias feeds reads negligible V drop(~.01v), but that's because there's no current in the grids right? Reading straight from grid to cathode, with the 1Rs in reads the -65V bias voltage.
Essentially no current flowing from the grid or from the coupling cap on either side, so this is good.
Smokebreak wrote:I've never used the shunt method, and I'm skiddish about learning the process on this amp.

So the chassis ground is indeed at the input, so the ground wire from the main board only connects OT, cathodes, and last capcan grounds to the ground network on the board, on the other side of the reversed diode.

So if OT, capcan is connected to cathodes, and cathodes go 1R straight to chassis, I should be fine floating that board ground wire eh?
I think I'd leave the ground scheme as-is, and just measure across the 1R's to get mV (numerically = mA).

Cbass is talking about using the OT primary resistance in the same way as the 1R cathode resistors (measure voltage across each half of the OT), except you have to do some math. That's a very good way to get plate current. The shunt method is setting the meter for current and shunting each half of the OT primary with it to read current directly. This is a bit risky because if you slip you could short B+ to ground and blow the fuse in your meter.

Going back to the top, you may have a socket problem. Did you try to clean and retension the power tube sockets? One more thing, do you have the same screen voltage on each side? Maybe a screen resistor has drifted.
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Re: Ampeg V2

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My bad Clay, and of course your posts are always welcomed. I'll try that and get to the other stuff in a bit. I forgot to eat lunch.
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OK! The voltage drop and resistance between OT CT and plates method confirms what I was thinking : this amp if functioning properly and for whatever reason, the 1ohm method is not working for me in this case.

V across CT>Plates are 3.8V and 3.9V
R across " " 144 and 152 ohms

So right now, plates are dissipating 15W @ ~26/25 mA, 586V plates.

This is with the 1ohms still in place.

Sound good so far? I'd like to get up to 21W dissipation, so I'll be looking for ~35mA. I'm gonna go fiddle with the bias resistor and check those 7027s that came with it.

I cleaned all the sockets yesterday , but cleaned them again just now, and no change. The sockets look good, and I have not retensioned them.

Screens are the same on both sides, about a volt higher than plates, and read right at 470r.

I'm still baffled by the 1ohm thing. That's been my go-to!
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I think maybe it's a bad solder joint screwing up the 1R measurement. You said above readings changed after soldering. BTW, have you replaced the batteries in your meter recently?
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That could be. I took them out, wired it back stock, and 68k bias resistor got me ~35mA per tube so I think we're good. Stock is 75K and the last mod from who knows when was 82K.
I lifted a pad trace, which was another new experience. I imagine it has taken some abuse over the years(bias resistor) and I'm sure I didn't help it. I should have just put in a pot.
Thanks a bunch for the help guys. This has been a great learning experience and now I no longer fear a 70lb head on PCB with 600V.
I'm gonna take it to the gig tonight
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Good job! I love the midrange control & switch in these amps - it's da bomb! have fun at your gig.
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It worked out great. Country/dancehall gig I usually use vibrolux/super type stuff on. Stayed clean for days with a tele. I had to face it away from the band and dancers to get some grit out of it, and it was blistering on 2 or 3. That mid control is gorgeous. Last song of the night(when no one could tell me to turn down) , I cranked it to 4 and it just blossomed. Crazy loud. 70's Stones thing. I never even got to fully crank it, and the owner just picked it up :(

Funny thing is, I have been obsessing over Josh Hommes' Songs For The Deaf tone for a few weeks. Turns out he used a VT40(same circuit) for a lot of that record. I actually made an ill-conceived attempt to build a "modified" version last week, with Fender mid-heavy tone stack, and 12ax7 for the driver. It came out awful. Not even close. Then boom this thing comes along . I'm currently in the market for one now :D
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Re: Ampeg V2

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Why not build one? I think MM has the mid-circuit inductor.
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I'm definitely considering it, at least a single channel version w/o reverb. I haven't bought an amp in years now, but cost is the main issue(if I built the whole thing) . Seems they pop up every now again at pretty decent prices. It does feel kinda weird even considering buying something I could build. Yet another first :D
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Yeah, I'm guessing they come up for cheap every now and then because the old-fart owner doesn't want to lug a 100 pound amp around anymore! :-) That's (old fart) why I wouldn't own one, but I might make use of the tone stack some day…..
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V2's are hard to come. VT40's are much more common. Fliptops sells the transformers - and lots of other parts for Ampegs. It's gonna be a lot cheaper to buy a used one than build one.

Great amps. Been gigging with a VT40 for the last 5 years or so. The master volume is a huge help on these guys and the mid switch is magic.

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AL wrote:V2's are hard to come. VT40's are much more common. Fliptops sells the transformers - and lots of other parts for Ampegs. It's gonna be a lot cheaper to buy a used one than build one.

Great amps. Been gigging with a VT40 for the last 5 years or so. The master volume is a huge help on these guys and the mid switch is magic.

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I had a V4 half stack that was stolen, and replaced it with a VT40 which I really loved. V2's are great amps, but the VT40 has this kinda Ampeg/Super Reverb thing going on that's hard to beat. OTOH, mid 70's Ampegs are not a lot of fun to service as you have obviously found out. :D
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Smokebreak wrote:I'm definitely considering it, at least a single channel version w/o reverb. I haven't bought an amp in years now, but cost is the main issue(if I built the whole thing) . Seems they pop up every now again at pretty decent prices. It does feel kinda weird even considering buying something I could build. Yet another first :D
In case this helps, I was contemplating the same thing a while back and created these schematics.
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Yea it does! Thanks a bunch!
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Very nice, Jay! How did you determine the values for the inductors?
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