Advantages of can capacitors?

General discussion area for tube amps.

Moderators: pompeiisneaks, Colossal

User avatar
culturejam
Posts: 17
Joined: Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:21 pm
Location: NJ

Advantages of can capacitors?

Post by culturejam »

I've avoided can caps in the past because I didn't really understand why I should use them.

It seems to me that the main advantage to can caps is that they save space, since two or more caps fit in one package. Also, with the mounting rings, they look pretty cool. :)

What other reasons would anyone have for use can caps in a scratch amp build?


Thanks
Andy Le Blanc
Posts: 2582
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:16 am
Location: central Maine

Re: Advantages of can capacitors?

Post by Andy Le Blanc »

The old photo flash caps and other electrolytic s used to be costly.
One can for the entire amp, one hole in the chassis and you don't have to
build a doghouse to house the caps.
lazymaryamps
User avatar
skyboltone
Posts: 2287
Joined: Wed May 10, 2006 7:02 pm
Location: Sparks, NV, where nowhere looks like home.

Re: Advantages of can capacitors?

Post by skyboltone »

I haven't used any yet but I haven't been building for a variety of reasons. When my current (large) stock of Nichicons and Xicons (yuk, those probably will be offered in the sale forum for free. ) are gone I'll be moving to cans.

I think UR12 has been there for quite some time and doesn't seem to have any trouble selling amps.

Dan
The Last of the World's Great Human Beings
Seek immediate medical attention if you suddenly go either deaf or blind.
If you put the Federal Government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years time there would be a shortage of sand.
User avatar
culturejam
Posts: 17
Joined: Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:21 pm
Location: NJ

Re: Advantages of can capacitors?

Post by culturejam »

skyboltone wrote: When my current (large) stock of Nichicons and Xicons (yuk, those probably will be offered in the sale forum for free. ) are gone I'll be moving to cans.
Yes, but what is your reason for switching to can caps?
User avatar
jaysg
Posts: 1211
Joined: Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:16 pm
Location: San Diego

Re: Advantages of can capacitors?

Post by jaysg »

I'm not sure that a more compact amp is an important feature, but a pile of axials eats a lot of space. Cans can be underneath the main board. We're lucky JJ and F&T are supporting them.
paulster
Posts: 1299
Joined: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:08 pm
Location: Los Angeles & London

Re: Advantages of can capacitors?

Post by paulster »

I like them, but I do find that the common ground can be a bit limiting in terms of the grounding scheme you end up having to apply.

I still use the dual can caps a lot though, and F&Ts are great.
User avatar
skyboltone
Posts: 2287
Joined: Wed May 10, 2006 7:02 pm
Location: Sparks, NV, where nowhere looks like home.

Re: Advantages of can capacitors?

Post by skyboltone »

culturejam wrote:
skyboltone wrote: When my current (large) stock of Nichicons and Xicons (yuk, those probably will be offered in the sale forum for free. ) are gone I'll be moving to cans.
Yes, but what is your reason for switching to can caps?
Ease of assembly I think. Neater underchassis look without tone penalty. The great old Mallorys and Spragues are simply not what they used to be and way overpriced.
The Last of the World's Great Human Beings
Seek immediate medical attention if you suddenly go either deaf or blind.
If you put the Federal Government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years time there would be a shortage of sand.
User avatar
culturejam
Posts: 17
Joined: Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:21 pm
Location: NJ

Re: Advantages of can capacitors?

Post by culturejam »

skyboltone wrote:Ease of assembly I think. Neater underchassis look without tone penalty.
Thanks.
User avatar
M Fowler
Posts: 14036
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:19 am
Location: Walcott ND

Re: Advantages of can capacitors?

Post by M Fowler »

They allow for more space, easy construction, and I have no issues whatsoever with the can caps.
User avatar
danotron
Posts: 186
Joined: Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:34 pm
Location: Cambridge, Ontario
Contact:

Re: Advantages of can capacitors?

Post by danotron »

I'm going to try some JJ's on my next build. Just ordered them. Need the room to install voltage regulator in an Express.
The Blues is my Business....
and Business is good.....
rfgordon
Posts: 679
Joined: Tue May 02, 2006 12:59 am
Location: Virginia
Contact:

Re: Advantages of can capacitors?

Post by rfgordon »

I particularly like the JJ 40/20/20/20 can, since it's a whole amp's worth in one can. Plus, the 500V rating makes it pretty versatile. The price is good--much cheaper than the same number of Spragues.

The JJ cans are the same size as those used in lots of old Marshalls and Ampegs.
Rich Gordon
www.myspace.com/bigboyamplifiers

"The takers get the honey, the givers get the blues." --Robin Trower
User avatar
culturejam
Posts: 17
Joined: Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:21 pm
Location: NJ

Re: Advantages of can capacitors?

Post by culturejam »

rfgordon wrote:I particularly like the JJ 40/20/20/20 can, since it's a whole amp's worth in one can.
Whoa, I hadn't even seen that one. That's like the entire power amp filtering in a single can. I'm totally doing that next time. 8)

I'm not sure about the meaning of previous comments about trouble with grounding because of the common ground lead. Most of the power amps I've looked at have the power cap negative leads connected to each other via wire anyway. What's the difference?


By the way, thanks for the input, guys! :)
User avatar
M Fowler
Posts: 14036
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:19 am
Location: Walcott ND

Re: Advantages of can capacitors?

Post by M Fowler »

culturjam,

I agree and I have had no problems with grounding of can caps and no huming, buzzing or ghost notes using them. The 40/20/20/20 I have used in several builds the last being my Route 66 and that amps sounds great.

Mark
User avatar
culturejam
Posts: 17
Joined: Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:21 pm
Location: NJ

Re: Advantages of can capacitors?

Post by culturejam »

M Fowler wrote:I agree and I have had no problems with grounding of can caps and no huming, buzzing or ghost notes using them. The 40/20/20/20 I have used in several builds the last being my Route 66 and that amps sounds great.
Thanks! I'm glad I'm not totally crazy for not understanding what the problem might be. :D
User avatar
ChrisM
Posts: 1169
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:12 pm
Location: Toronto, Canada.

Re: Advantages of can capacitors?

Post by ChrisM »

The only thing I don't like about cap cans is you cant wire the "individual" caps in series. Other than that they are gold for the reasons already mentioned.
Post Reply