Lehle 1@3 with D style amps Lengthy switching ideas..

[qtone]

Hello wanted to chime in and mention the lehle 1@3 switcher and how it works with D style amps.

No affiliation here just out of necessity I had to go to something else in order to switch several amps..

Last year some pics were posted here of a rack full of efx.
That rack was never "Completed" even though I provided all the wiring ends ect to have that done and paid for it the system was never completed in 5 months of ample time.

That said ahem. I needed to figure a way around that ground control system and so I went with the Octa switch and some 1@3 switchers.

The 1@3 switchers can be hooked together via stereo cable linking 2 together to control 6 different amps.

Now either 1 2 or 3 can be on with either 1@3 or you could have 2 amps on per each 1@3 essentially giving you quad..

The octa switch which has 8 loops all with dip switches for each loop ON each, allows you to hook up 8 efx on loops of their own.

You then can just push a dip switch on leading to any 8 efx per channel.

So you hit channel 1 and turn on which ever efx are on...
hit save and move on to channel 2 repeat till you get to 8.

The 8th channel is for all stereo efx reverb delay chorus ect
that feeds side A or side B which are your two amps.

Now 2 amps are fine and more then enough but have you heard 3 on at the same time or 4 amps ?

If you have not and you should and since we are at the Amp Garage
im surmising several of you have more then one style D amp.

I wanted to chime in on at least the 1@3 switcher by lehle.
It works flawlessly and its quiet as church mice...

No hum no pop or clicks no bleed through.
Also if you do have 4 amps on at same time,
You can clearly hear each one...

Not only that if you want to have hotter amps on with clean amps, you can
lower the output of the hot amps to match the output of the clean amps.

The result is you get your same glorious tone clean or lead and its blended where you can discern them.

Ive not received the octa switch yet so I have to wire 8 pedals up
yet but the lehle pedals work great.

I lack one stereo cable so waiting on those ends now then those lehles will be paired up.

Now my idea is just placing the 1@3 switchers past side A and B of the octa~switch.

It dawns on me certain efx would be on both 2 amps side A both 2 amps side B.

Most efx are mono and the stereo efx can be stacked up in channel 8.
even mono efx can be stacked up between 1-7.

So between 8 efx and 6 amps I should be able to switch between
any combination of 2 or 4 amps at once.

Big deal you say ? Well here are the amps which Ill be using.

phoenix 50 watts
sss HPD 150 watts
Quinn ODSR 183 100 watts
69 plexi super bass 100 watts
lone star mesa 100/50/10 slave out ?? Frenzel / transfex
peavey transfex


Now of those amps listed ive heard the lone star Mesa, the SSS HPD, and Transfex pro at same time.. and the sound is so great I wont use one amp now because 2 sound better and my ears balance out if both are on..

I find myself wanting both on all the time add one more amp and you have 3 on and that is even better..

I have no efx other then reverb on lone star and sss
the transfex has stereo delay but all 3 sound just great.

No chorus and it still sounds full and stereo.. even though its mono amps...
the deal is they all balance out.. The Transfex is not loud as the tube amps
But with it added in I can clearly still hear the stereo delays which are built into that amp already...as well verb chorus ect...

So any efx I dont have on any of those other amps I do have built into the transfex pro amps. Those have 128 presets which I have already preset.

Crazy ? too much time and toys on my hands ??
perhaps.

But wait until you hear these things properly laid out efx wise and all balanced and then commit me for being OCD.

I urge you to try several D style amps at same time together if you have fenders marshalls vox also, then hook them all up.

Balance the volumes and try it and see if you will play just one amp after that..

If you can stand one amp after hearing two try 3 amps at once.
even if they are all clean as in my case.

You hit all 3 amps with boost you get 3 flavors of lead coming back.

Each amp you have on will sound different if voiced that way and the blend is something else. Hear 3 then go back to one amp and prepare to say oh no turn the others back on.

I cant have just one amp on now after hearing 2 and 3 is even better which leads me to quad.

Anybody here have 4 amps or more and if so have you had them all running at same time ??

If even every option of pairing of amps.. ie fender and vox or D style and marshall or D style and fender or D style and vox

In my case the lone star has a tweed switch setting and its running 6l6s so
it does the tweed sound well. Now the D style amps kinda sound tweed like or even vox territory for beatle esqe bark if you had tweed on one side and vox on other thats interesting tone wise and perhaps something you never heard together at once.

Perhaps you have if so my hat is off to you.

If you have not tried this yet and are mildly curious dont say I did not warn you.

The octa switch is not here yet but when it is and I get this setup ill report back by just stating it worked or it did not.

If it does work and im about 90% sure its gonna ill list pros and cons or misgivings on my cake party.

Its your party eat the cake you want too I say if you want 6 cakes fine
so be it bon appetite I say

and cheers...


One thumbs up for lehle so far so good when the octa gets here
it will all be wired up on pedal train pedalboards.

The stereo or mono channels on octa switch can also feed rack efx and if long runs they are buffered if needed.

Since I can use both A and B amps either or or both on same time
that would mean they can feed dual 1@3 switchers feeding 6 amps.

I think the lehle can be programmed along with the octa switch
where it will remember even if unplugged you set it up one time.

Sounds simple does it not ?
aside from the 6 amps that is..

I did not mention I can add other amps too that by stacking amps together in the wall slaving from other amps ie lone star has line level slave out with volume knob to raise or lower the line level hitting the other amp..

Suhr iso box does that so I could feed the super bass from the phoenix efx loop and suhr iso box out too plexi and use one amp slot vs 2 in the lehle.

The transfex amps can feed stereo power amps as well or line level out to other amps.

Any amp with external speaker out on it can utilize that trick with iso box
and while your doing that why not feed efx then have dry wet setup ?
Using slave amp as wet amp..??

If you have amps which are so so those would be perfect for a slot like that...

Because the amps which do sound spectacular will feed the ones which sound so so and suddenly you get this amazing doubled sound if you offset that by 10 ms or 15ms or 25ms you get a real doubled effect.

Think abbey road here...imagine how one could tune a dull room doing that..?

Shawn lane did..

Yes im awake at 444 am thinking about this stuff aren't you ?
Thoughts ?

anybody running 2 or 6 amp setups ?

[vibratoking]

Dood, if you still have the Ground control pro, get the rack gizmo from RJM. I have been using the previous version, the RG16, and it is almost infinitely programmable via midi.

You'll still need the switcher for the front end. Multiple amps can sound great. I've experimented with switching between amps (only one amp on at at time) and running them all together and in different combinations. I tend to run one at a time mainly because the sustain characteristics can be so different. Different sustain is very distracting for me because I tend to play against the sustain so my playing does not always fit with amps that sustain differently. YMMV.

[qtone]

The octaswitch works like a charm ground control is bye the way side.
Even with echoplex in front of bludo or odsr it sounds great as does the timeline oddly im running that out front of the amp so much for efx loop hype.

Digging this just fine.

[67plexi]

qtone, you may take this into consideration, http://www.radialeng.com/r2011/jx44.php
I have made amp switchers that controlled 12 each 100 watt amps with isolation transformers and relays.
My modest rig I only use 2-3 amps and two efx loops with a. http://www.tonebone.com/tb-switchbone.htm, the switchbone has held up well and is dead quite. Tuner out for the third amp.
I think the jx44 would get the job done for your application. And with MIDI controllers you can keep your efx in a rack if you wish, You would basically have a poor man's Bradshaw rig.

Something to think about, Steve.

[vibratoking]

The octaswitch works like a charm ground control is bye the way side.

Good to know the octaswitch works. It is a very rudimentary device compared to the ground control/RG16. Octaswitch has nowhere near the flexibility that the ground control/RG16 does. MIDI provides freedom that dip switches just can't. MIDI and the RG-16 allow me to simultaneously switch amp channels, ANY MIDI device, and all/none of my analog pedals with ONE switch. You have alot of power with the ground control that's sitting there unused. You paid for it and you're not using it? I just can't justify that for myself.

[dcribbs1412]

qtone, you may take this into consideration, http://www.radialeng.com/r2011/jx44.php
I have made amp switchers that controlled 12 each 100 watt amps with isolation transformers and relays.
My modest rig I only use 2-3 amps and two efx loops with a. http://www.tonebone.com/tb-switchbone.htm, the switchbone has held up well and is dead quite. Tuner out for the third amp.
I think the jx44 would get the job done for your application. And with MIDI controllers you can keep your efx in a rack if you wish, You would basically have a poor man's Bradshaw rig.

Something to think about, Steve.

Nice setup Steve
I've been thinking about building a switcher and DI with iso transformers
(Jensen transformers are around 70.00 each) also BYOC
has a kit http://buildyourownclone.com/ampselector.html
are they worth it? or just get the switchbone and call it
Also are you using a single 1x12 cab with your setup?

Darin

[qtone]

I have 3 switchers and the ground control board and if anyone wants to buy them Ill be glad to sell them.

If you can figure it out then more power too you.

The customer service there is lousy and they had more then enough time to help me and I gave up.

I hired Greg D to come here instead and that was a bigger mistake.

HUGE MISTAKE

Speaking of that I wonder if old Greg is making due and following up with his promises to return everyones products or money ?

I Never heard another word from the Rat.

I might sell the ground control unit to fund suing Greg and His trusty Gal
for felony charges to get back my money.

There is an idea.. Let the law dogs track him down.

There is something you can justify spending that money on.

Im going to do just that sell the ground control and sue Greg D Clark and
the builders he used to conspire to rip me off.

Id mention those builders but they contacted me and asked me to not mention them in association with greg d clark and they were distancing themselves from him.

After taking the information from my amp and sharing that with each other they just blew me off on giving me my schematics for my use if my amp ever went down I could fix it or build on that and make something greater for less money.

I never got my schematics from JELLE GREG D CLARK OR SHAD DAMRON
AND ALL THREE OF THEM SHARED INFORMATION ON MY PERSONAL AMP.

I did see Greg put his name as well as theirs on the schematics for his own benefit though as well as theirs.

I have a photograph of that for proof and I have my son here as witness to what happened so that kinda settles that.

I think thats good sell the ground control and sue for damages and expose
these people for what they are and are doing.

They all 3 distanced themselves from me and treated me as if I was the problem.

OOOPS thats how thieves and liars react when confronted about stealing they get defensive .

They jump ship sweep the problems under the matt and hide.

Then act as if nothing rotten or underhanded ever took place.
Or have the nerve or audacity such as Jelle to tell me the owner of the amp in question I was never ever to see any such schematics after I spoke to him on the phone and told him id let him work with Greg but this amp belonged to me and was mine not theirs to share or profit from.

I asked Jelle to send my schematic and he blew me off like I knew he would do because I knew what they were up too.


Their is no honor among thieves and thieves dont pay cash for hi end amps
thieves let others pay that and gleam information for themselves at others benefit.

Hows that for Justified ?


any one of the builders mentioned can chime in here I know one who wont be chiming in but I bet I know two that cant resist.

Damage control is quite fun to watch they scramble to cover up the lies and then back peddle to make up more to cover the hot mess they have found themselves in.

and 5 4 3 2 1

You guys dont think im dumb enough not to have phone records of this and
emails and correspondance as well as pictures of this going down here do you ?

You know overwhelming proof to point right at who the crooks are and who the person who paid for things is and how badly he was taken for a ride.

I consider theft of intelectual property theft just the same.

Anyone can buy one of these amps to look at and learn from
but key word is buy one .

Its amazing to me how ethics change as the story changes and unfurls as it progresses.

That is what im going to sell the ground control system for
to fund suing for my information and my money back.

Which I know Ill never see I already asked both Jelle and Shad to be men of their words to which they blew me off at 1000 mph.

Just like GREG D CLARK DID.

Hmm I guess they are all invisible now that its 2013 ?

This makes me wonder if the man in Austin pressed charges yet ?

Im going too I dont like being lied too and having my eye poked
not by new yorkers on a visa nor by transplants in Arizona nor by con men and women from Buffalo .

I think the money from the ground control will light a nice fire under their ass.

Legally...

[CHIP]

A real shame. I was lucky in that after 7 months I was able to get my money back from GD Clark for face plates he promised to have made but never did. That was back in 2011.

[vibratoking]

Sorry about all the hassles. Unfortunately, some lessons are learned the hard way. If you ever get the itch to make the ground control work, I would be willing to help you out. Mine has been working without a hitch for many years now...

I am glad you are making some kind of stand regarding the schematics. You will probably never see them, but at least you have alerted the forum as to who the offenders are for future reference.

[67plexi]

qtone, When you say theft of intellectual property I'm not sure what you are talking about.
My business partner and I have over 2100 us patents. The last patent infringement cost us $400,000
in legal fees and we lost the case. Due to a change on the blueprints page 13.
As far of theft of services you may have a case, If you sent money to the accused you may have a
wire fraud case if so contact the FBI and local law enforcement. With a paper trail to back up your
Claim.

Steve.

[wjdunham]

I have an Octaswitch - I like it because it's one of the few that can control the channel switching and PAB of a Dumble style amp at the same time as switching the pedal loops. However, I did a lot of testing just looping short cables in place of the effects to see what it did to the tone, and it definitely is a tone sucker when more than a few pedals are engaged at one time. It also pops when switching in some configurations and not others which I have not been able to figure out. I use it because it saves a lot of pedal dancing when switching both the amp channel, PAB and the pedals in one stomp, but if something better came along I'd probably switch it out.
Bill

www.sebagosound.com

[vibratoking]

It also pops when switching in some configurations and not others which I have not been able to figure out.

I use the RG-16 for loops and amp switching - all under MIDI control of the Ground Control Pro. Great flexibility and programmability. I have noticed pops only while switching in certain pedals. These pedals have had DC present on the output, so I put in a pull-down resistor where necessary.

I've also tested the RG-16 with short cables instead of pedals and have not noticed any tone differences. I use George-Ls for the rack/pedal cabling.

[wjdunham]

It also pops when switching in some configurations and not others which I have not been able to figure out.

I use the RG-16 for loops and amp switching - all under MIDI control of the Ground Control Pro. Great flexibility and programmability. I have noticed pops only while switching in certain pedals. These pedals have had DC present on the output, so I put in a pull-down resistor where necessary.

I've also tested the RG-16 with short cables instead of pedals and have not noticed any tone differences. I use George-Ls for the rack/pedal cabling.

Ah, I'll try the pull-down resistor trick - makes sense that it's the pedal and not the switcher as it was very specific to the configuration, thanks!
Bill