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ampdork wrote:Read the language the guy used and the things he has said to me.
Ampdork, I think you should scroll back through this thread and see where the insulting comments began. They began with you sir.
ampdork wrote:Why is it that you cannot except the simple fact that your(you're) a pirate and a capitalist Brandon?

If your(you're) here your (you're) a damned bootlegging pirate not Mother Theresa!

Really sorry if anyone here is so sensitive that they will not accept the truth about this but enough is enough.

It's about dollars. Not moral high grounds.

A lot of pots calling kettles black around here I must say.....
So everyone in here including you are all bootlegging pirates? I don't appreciate that label even in a blanket statement. I'm sure Brandon didn't appreciate it being singularly aimed at him either. I'm not surprised he used some foul langage in his response to you. You poke a guy in the eye and then accuse him of being trailer trash when he fights back? Take it from someone prone to snide comments himself (that'd be me) you do owe Brandon and everyone in here an apology. The question that remains is if you are gentleman enough to give it. I hope you aren't teaching your children to act this way. Your posts reveal an agenda against Brandon and you clearly meant to kick him in the teeth in a thread that had no ill vibe until you joined it. You lit this torch.
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Ampdork, I am not in the habit of "bouncing" anyone here. I based my statements on your few posts in this thread where you cast negative light on DIY'ers.
If your here your a damned bootlegging pirate not Mother Theresa!
You guys crack me up really.
Pirates and thieves the lot of you!
These were from this thread.

Maybe a forum clarification is in order...
This is an ampbuilders and amp discussion forum. Since most of us don't work for Ken Fischer RIP or HAD, that would put 99.99% in the DIY corner for these two style amps we commonly talk about and build.
All I'm saying is the comments above and others project a feeling of disdain towards us an if you dislike us so much...leave. You are certainly welcome to discuss amps and present or glean ideas from this site like the rest of us. The personal attacks have got to go!
So you don't think I'm personally attacking you, I would ask that Brandon remove the swears from his "rebuttal" posts.

No one is required to like everyone here but at least respect the forum when you post. If you feel Brandon was given preferential treatment by some forum members in this thread, please try to remember that respect for Brandon had been built over years of helping people here and contributing lots of great info.

I was going to lock the thread but I was hoping people could work out there differences here first.
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Personally I think there are two sides to every story and after reading all this and talking to Bill and Joe of Two Rock, there is much more to the story than anyone here knows but perhaps that will come out in the wash.


Secondly, Shad who calls them likes he sees them should not be put down for making sense which is exactly how I and many others see it.

I realize this is Brandon's house and in order to exist in a way that prevents ridicule you must act with the utmost submissive behavior but to prove he is truly honest and trying to help all the DIY's perhaps he could post the Larry Carlton pics, (some as there are way too many) and the Carlos Santana formerly EJ SSS amp. Those pics are bouncing around the net to his pals but not here and if it's about helping everyone here, why not share. Afraid Two Rock or Fuchs will get them?? They already have them at least one of them. The fact is, if you take pics of an amp and send it to someone, they will send it to their friend and the next thing you know every amp builder and their brother has it. Why not make it easy for all your brothers here at the amp garage and draw out the circuits and post pics and HELP the DIY's?
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Funkalicousgroove wrote:Yeah, those Jackoff's called me wanting to buy my transformers, I'm willing to bet that if you open an EL1 it looks VERY CLOSE to the how-to tutorial I posted in the files section last December. $2500-LOL!!!!!!!

They originally put my cabinet guy (we used to use the same guy)together to call me and ask because they were too chickenshit, they wanted to buy whole kits!

I actually agreed to sell them a few trannies, because they called me up with some story that they weren't going to go into production, and they only wanted to build 5 or so for really good customers, well that whole deal went sour, and I told Bill to go F#@% himself.

I will build one for $500 for any two-rock owner to keep them from buying that ridiculously priced TR unit!
I appreciate the administrator keeping this thread open. I think you may have missed the fact that the insulting comments began with Brandon, unless "chickenshit", "jackoffs", and " didn't have the balls" don't count. I must have missed that in the forum rules. "Capitalist" and "bootlegging pirate" getting a response of "piece of shit, go fuck yourself" is ok, too, I guess. Regardless, I'm only here to post my side of the story, as for some reason there appears to be a major misunderstanding. Yes, we contacted Brandon for some power trannies, as we have had requests for a stand-alone buffered loop from more than a few folks over the last 3 years. We hadn't planned to build more than a handful, and we've been cobbling some together (5 or so per year) from surplus stuff since we began 10 years ago. You were kind enough to offer us 5 trannies. A few weeks later, it was looking like 2-3 more weeks, and at that point we had laid the groundwork for a nice chassis and decided to order our own trannies rather than wait, or inconvenience you, for that matter. You imply(or someone else may have suggested) that we stuck with you parts you ordered for us, which is not true. We are happy to take them off your hands, as you did order them for us and we feel obligated to do so. You did, however, tell us to fuck off, so I assume that means you'd rather keep them and be angry. That is your right. As far as pirating cirrcuits, layouts, etc- Bill and Mike Bendo at Mesa were installing buffered loops in Fenders and Boogies 28 years ago for Kimock, among others. Not sure what you were doing then. In any case, like everyone else in ampdom, we wish you continued success, and I hope we can have a phone conversation at some point and clear the air. Life is too short, man.
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Seems to me like if everyone were in the same room they might all get along just fine but this is internet. It is kind of bad when things have to be brought out to a public forum. Life IS too short for such anger.
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Just so some folks are clear on what I said.

I am a pirate and a thief and I think so is everyone on here.
You may not be breaking any laws but to the people who really did the serious work of designing these things we are worms.
Read the back of one of Howard's bassman mods and you can see exactly what he think of everyone here.

Bootleggers and pirates!!!!!

Sheesh did no one else get the joke of that? Howard called us all that. It is indeed how he feels about us. He is frankly entitled in my opinion. I am however entitled to embrace that. You are entitled to pretend it does not apply to you.

Yar...
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ampdork wrote:Just so some folks are clear on what I said.

I am a pirate and a thief and I think so is everyone on here.
You may not be breaking any laws but to the people who really did the serious work of designing these things we are worms.
Read the back of one of Howard's bassman mods and you can see exactly what he think of everyone here.

Bootleggers and pirates!!!!!

Sheesh did no one else get the joke of that? Howard called us all that. It is indeed how he feels about us. He is frankly entitled in my opinion. I am however entitled to embrace that. You are entitled to pretend it does not apply to you.

Yar...

GAR!!! I get it. I Had here a nice bandmaster that Dumble modded with the cool sponge block o goop with a nice handwritten plaque for all Pirates etc. Was very cool. Also some hand written notes inside the headshell directed at el pirates. Very much a man that knew in the late nineties and early 2000's that people were on to him and discecting his stuff. It bugged him out big time. I remember many conversations that were all very cordial and he seemed very nice and intelligent and those were frequent conversations until I mentioned I knew the guys from Two Rock. Never spoke to him again after that.
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Wow! Looks like Ampdork make a couple of telephone calls to his fellow minions to get some support. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I can see by the number of posts they have that they are big contributors here. :lol: :lol: :lol: Boy you guys have really been sharing the tube knowledge haven't ya? You see the difference between us and you is we learned along time ago that getting rich in the amp business is a pipe dream. It's not our fault you're retarded. :lol: :lol: :lol: And just for the record, I'm not a pirate or a thief as I've never sold a cloned trainwreck or a dumble amp. I'm just here for the knowledge. Oh and to be civil to my fellow man. You guys should go to someone's church tomorrow and just shutup and listen to the priest, rabbi, or minister. Man, leave the door open and see what the cat drags in.
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bnwitt wrote:Wow! Looks like Ampdork make a couple of telephone calls to his fellow minions to get some support. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I can see by the number of posts they have that they are big contributors here. :lol: :lol: :lol: Boy you guys have really been sharing the tube knowledge haven't ya? You see the difference between us and you is we learned along time ago that getting rich in the amp business is a pipe dream. It's not our fault you're retarded. :lol: :lol: :lol: And just for the record, I'm not a pirate or a thief as I've never sold a cloned trainwreck or a dumble amp. I'm just here for the knowledge. Oh and to be civil to my fellow man. You guys should go to someone's church tomorrow and just shutup and listen to the priest, rabbi, or minister. Man, leave the door open and see what the cat drags in.
Well according to Dumble anyone that has every opened a Dumble is a pirate and a thief. He doesnt even want you to sell your Dumble and will dis-own you if you open it for anyone or take it to anyone for service. I personally dont think there is a big crime in making a clone for yourself but Dumble does I promise you. I'm sure that Dumble hates TR, Andy and Brandon, propbably Brandon the most now since he is looking at Santanas amp. Religion has nothing to do with being civil as for our lives on this planet, this is it, lets make the best of it. :wink:
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Joe Mlog wrote:
Funkalicousgroove wrote:Yeah, those Jackoff's called me wanting to buy my transformers, I'm willing to bet that if you open an EL1 it looks VERY CLOSE to the how-to tutorial I posted in the files section last December. $2500-LOL!!!!!!!

They originally put my cabinet guy (we used to use the same guy)together to call me and ask because they were too chickenshit, they wanted to buy whole kits!

I actually agreed to sell them a few trannies, because they called me up with some story that they weren't going to go into production, and they only wanted to build 5 or so for really good customers, well that whole deal went sour, and I told Bill to go F#@% himself.

I will build one for $500 for any two-rock owner to keep them from buying that ridiculously priced TR unit!
I appreciate the administrator keeping this thread open. I think you may have missed the fact that the insulting comments began with Brandon, unless "chickenshit", "jackoffs", and " didn't have the balls" don't count. I must have missed that in the forum rules. "Capitalist" and "bootlegging pirate" getting a response of "piece of shit, go fuck yourself" is ok, too, I guess. Regardless, I'm only here to post my side of the story, as for some reason there appears to be a major misunderstanding. Yes, we contacted Brandon for some power trannies, as we have had requests for a stand-alone buffered loop from more than a few folks over the last 3 years. We hadn't planned to build more than a handful, and we've been cobbling some together (5 or so per year) from surplus stuff since we began 10 years ago. You were kind enough to offer us 5 trannies. A few weeks later, it was looking like 2-3 more weeks, and at that point we had laid the groundwork for a nice chassis and decided to order our own trannies rather than wait, or inconvenience you, for that matter. You imply(or someone else may have suggested) that we stuck with you parts you ordered for us, which is not true. We are happy to take them off your hands, as you did order them for us and we feel obligated to do so. You did, however, tell us to fuck off, so I assume that means you'd rather keep them and be angry. That is your right. As far as pirating cirrcuits, layouts, etc- Bill and Mike Bendo at Mesa were installing buffered loops in Fenders and Boogies 28 years ago for Kimock, among others. Not sure what you were doing then. In any case, like everyone else in ampdom, we wish you continued success, and I hope we can have a phone conversation at some point and clear the air. Life is too short, man.
Thanks,

Joe
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Dear Sir,
The facts of the matter is, that the number of posts, you've posted on this forum, could indicate, that you are merely here to gather info rather than sharing. In fact you've only answered two posts, this current one, and one regarding the TwoRock John Mayer Sig. :wink:
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Nice now a retard too.... :lol:

I'm not a pirate or a thief as I've never sold a cloned trainwreck or a dumble amp.
By definition stealing does not require any selling.....only stealing.

Should have worn your helmet before you fell into that one...
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http://www.intelproplaw.com/ip_forum/

Alright , I found this great intellectual property forum for everyone. Why don't we relocate this discussion there and keep this thread about the dumbleator II?

I do data entry during the week to pay my rent and play with amps for fun. I have neither the drive, talent, or capital to make amps for money. 95% of the folks who read this forum fit into this catagory. When the god's do battle, us mortals are the one's who suffer most.

If you guys can keep ego's, insults, and personal remarks off the forum, I promise that we will keep buying kits/books/parts and showering you with praise for all the huge, meaningful contributions that all you have made here to the DIY community. Please work to maintain the high standard this forum has maintained in the past.
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EDIT: Personal business removed.


Well said, Funk
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This is my final post on this matter.

I did lose my temper and say some downright nasty things I shouldn't have, it doesn't do any of us any good to fight and gripe amongst ourselves. I am truly sorry for saying Shad, Bill and Joe were anything less than gentlemen-

I am not used to getting slagged here, and my feelings about members of this forum who come here and reap beneficial information, and contribute nothing(the evidence is in their post counts) is no secret.

Snider, If you weren't "Blacklisted" from getting a hi-plains drifter as you so eloquently put it( As I told our mutual friend, I would build you one) you are certainly working on it, and in regards to posting pics of the LC amp I worked on, I'll tell you the same thing I told Bill: I didn't take any, the guy who worked on it in Florida took a bunch of pictures.

The real thing that would be beneficial to the forum would be if Joe would post some of the pictures of the Dumbleland, Steel String Singers, and numerous Bluesmasters that Bill offered up to trade me for the pics of the LC amp. If I had pics of it I'd be foolish not to trade them, but I saw no reason to take any, and I believe I gave an account of the repair I performed on it on TGP for folks who were doubting the reliability of Dumbles, but for any one who missed it:

Some tubes can develop an issue with arcing inside the base between pins 2&3 at high voltages, which creates a path to ground at the filament balance resistors, they get hot, and blow up into a million pieces. I performed a McGyver style back-stage repair using some 100 ohm 1W resistors from radio shack, a leatherman, and the tweezers out of my girlfriends purse, Luckily the guys there had an iron and some solder.

Anyway, to sum it up, Yes I am a Pirate I suppose, I have mentioned to people that I know that are close to Dumble that I'd be happy to pay him to license his trademark, or if he wanted to, even build amps with him, but he isn't interested in that, and I am certain I am not the first one to offer or suggest. I have my own designs, not really based on anything we discuss here, but I am so backlogged with orders for Bludo-drives that I haven't really had time to put them into peoples hands.
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Cool Brandon! Dig the Eastwood reference. Back to biz!
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