Looking for that Lindley tone.....

[bluesfendermanblues]

Lindley said for a fact that he uses the FET input exclusiveley in the 7 page article he and Ben harper did in the Fretboard journal a couple months back, there were also pics of his amps with the settings marked on them.

This is mine:

Which looks pretty nice

[Funkalicousgroove]

Thanks!

BTW those Knobs are made by ALCO, they can be found but they are 'Spensive!!! Cheapest I've seen is just under $4 ea-

[crbowman]

Lindley said for a fact that he uses the FET input exclusiveley in the 7 page article he and Ben harper did in the Fretboard journal a couple months back, there were also pics of his amps with the settings marked on them.

This is mine:

Dude! You've even got the snakeskin. Sweeeeeeet!

How do we feel about bassman iron with this?

[Max]

The last part of the sound that is absoluteley necessary is the FET input, it sounds WONDERFUL with both regular and lap steel guitars.

Does your statement apply to your opinion of the FET input in general, or specifically on that amp. In the 2 or 3 years I've been posting here I've never heard anyone speak well of the FET input so I'm curious.

"The useless FET" is just one of the "1000 and 1 night Dumble fairy tales" told here and elsewhere.

Obviously the HPD did no serious harm to Brandon's ears.

IMHO he is absolutely right.

Cheers

Max

[Max]

Does anyone know what speakers were in Lindley's 2x12?

Altec

Max

[crbowman]

I have one of the Natchanis 70's chassis, it's a good platform if you want to build exactly as the #40 schematic (ie accent switch, no presence, no ratio). The one I have says "LAVEL" in stead of "LEVEL" but I think that's been fixed (got mine on ebay from someone who had it lying around and never used it. One thing you have to add to that chassis is some rails to mount it in the box. The lips along the front and back aren't really deep enough to drill and tap or otherwise weld a nut onto the back off. Minor pain, but a pain none-the-less.

Cool! Thanks Bill. So how did you go about mounting the rails?

[Max]

I’ve seen the 1977 schematic graciously posted by Funk. Would this be a good place to start? If so, what should be tweaked?

The very early first generation ODS amps (bit smaller, up to around #15) I know differ from the second generation amps (actual size, slide switches) - like #40 - in parts, in layout, in EQ, in OD processing and so on.

Those second generation amps I know are a lot more "midrangy" to my ears as the very early first generation amps I know.

In regard to Lindley's amp one should perhaps also keep in mind that Alexander did a lot of mods to these amps. Alexander talks about Lindley's amps ("the SSS Mod") in the "Guitar Player Magazine" interview.

Cheers

Max

[crbowman]

I’ve seen the 1977 schematic graciously posted by Funk. Would this be a good place to start? If so, what should be tweaked?

The very early first generation ODS amps (bit smaller, up to around #15) I know differ from the second generation amps (actual size, slide switches) - like #40 - in parts, in layout, in EQ, in OD processing and so on.

Those second generation amps I know are a lot more "midrangy" to my ears as the very early first generation amps I know.

In regard to Lindley's amp one should perhaps also keep in mind that Alexander did a lot of mods to these amps. Alexander talks about Lindley's amps ("the SSS Mod") in the "Guitar Player Magazine" interview.

Cheers

Max

Thanks Max. Yeah, I know I'm kinda trying to hit a moving target here. Hope this will get me in the ballpark. I've heard the midrangy description before. This kinda concerns me, but so long as it will get a good clean tone I think It would work for me.

One thing I've just noticed is that #40 doesn't have the PAB which I really need on the footswitch. Doesn't look to me like it would be too hard to integrate this with an additional relay. Any snags with this that anyone can think of?

[Structo]

Man that looks sweet!

Great job on that!

[Bob-I]

I don't see the #40 schem anywhere. Can someone point it out to me?

Never mind... found it, excellent work on the layout. Interesting that there's only one output volume control, must be difficult to use as a switching amp but I've always loved Lindley's tone. In fact it was his tone on Running on Empty that started me on the quest thats going on 30 years

[crbowman]

I don't see the #40 schem anywhere. Can someone point it out to me?

Here ya go Bob:
https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.php?t=5986

It's definitely different from what I'm used to seeing, but I kinda like that. And I'm with you, if it'll get the running on empty slide tone I'm all over it. Would the PAB be a problem integrating with this design?

[Bob-I]

I don't see the #40 schem anywhere. Can someone point it out to me?

Here ya go Bob:
https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.php?t=5986

It's definitely different from what I'm used to seeing, but I kinda like that. And I'm with you, if it'll get the running on empty slide tone I'm all over it. Would the PAB be a problem integrating with this design?

Yes, thx. I found it but search was no help

No, PAB would be easy to implement. I actually think over time I've started liking a slightly more refined tone. The Lindly tone is very raw and gritty, simply awesome.

I also have to get my tone at low volumes. My old ears can't really handle volume anymore so I think that single volume control might be an issue for me. I really like playing at low volumes and using the PA to get it to the audience.

[crbowman]

I don't see the #40 schem anywhere. Can someone point it out to me?

Here ya go Bob:
https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.php?t=5986

It's definitely different from what I'm used to seeing, but I kinda like that. And I'm with you, if it'll get the running on empty slide tone I'm all over it. Would the PAB be a problem integrating with this design?

Yes, thx. I found it but search was no help

No, PAB would be easy to implement. I actually think over time I've started liking a slightly more refined tone. The Lindly tone is very raw and gritty, simply awesome.

I also have to get my tone at low volumes. My old ears can't really handle volume anymore so I think that single volume control might be an issue for me. I really like playing at low volumes and using the PA to get it to the audience.

I'm with you on the volume thing. The band I play in plays really quietly. If I walked in with a 100 watter they'd drum me out for the sheer weight of it not to mention the volume.

[Bob-I]

I'm with you on the volume thing. The band I play in plays really quietly. If I walked in with a 100 watter they'd drum me out for the sheer weight of it not to mention the volume.

I've used a Dumble 100 watter with the band. They're so controlable so it's not a problem. Our bass player uses a V-4 with a 4x12, weighs a ton b sounds great even at low volume. Stage volume shod be LOW!!

I play with a house band for an open mike night every Wed and the keyboard/leader must be deaf. I used my Princeton clone this week and from across the stage me and the bass player with his 1x15 combo were playing without hearing ourselves at all. No reason for this stuff, the PA can handle everything.

[Max]

I've heard the midrangy description before. This kinda concerns me, but so long as it will get a good clean tone I think It would work for me.

It's only some weeks since I played a first generation ODS and a second generation ODS like #040 side by side for some hours.

First generation amp nailed the Lindley tone exactly.

First generation "bright" and "accent" addressed higher frequencies as second generation "bright" and "accent" switch.

Second generation amp with 7025 PI (Dumble specifies 12AT7 for second generation PI) was great for fat and juicy Jeff Beck like sounds full of fresh overtones (70ies maple neck strat into the FET input of course, Bright On, Rock On, Accent On, Full throttle, into a Marshall 4x12 "Basket Wave" soldered for 4 OHMS) but for my hearing not at all near to Lindley's ODS tones.

For great silky or glassy or fendery cleans I would not chose a second generation ODS but first generation or some of those transition amps from third generation to the forth "blackface" generation with snubbers (starting around #71 up to around #80 - BTW: One of my all around ODS favorites can be found between #70 and #80) or those early "blackface" amps with the "classic" 250K, 100K, 250K tonestack.

But after all this is a matter of personal taste of course.

And keep in mind that - as far as I remember now - some of the Jackson Browne and EL-Rayo-X sounds (and some of the best to my ears) is his snake skin SSS (btw: 250K, 100K, 250K too) and not the ODS.

My opinion: If you are into the Lindley tone, better go the first generation path.

Cheers

Max