Metal Films in a 183

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Re: Metal Films in a 183

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CHIP wrote:I tried to follow component choices as close as I could.
One of the things I really like is the amps touch sensitivity.
I concur how sensitive it is and I found that RG400 coax in the loop in conjunction with the D'Lator makes a world of difference.

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Re: Metal Films in a 183

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TM

Do you notice a big difference in the Piher's and the resistors you used in 183 (whatever those are?)..Building my 102 w/ the Pihers and Speers now and waiting on the PT. Have you built anything using the old CTS's as well?

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talbany wrote:TM

Do you notice a big difference in the Piher's and the resistors you used in 183 (whatever those are?)..Building my 102 w/ the Pihers and Speers now and waiting on the PT. Have you built anything using the old CTS's as well?

Thanks!!

Tony
Tony, those carbon film's above are Electra which are kind of physically similar to a Sprague Q line (Draloric) carbon film. I also used those in my HV (MusicMan PS) build of which i'll be redoing with all Piher CF(see cathode bypass cap thread) and maybe then I'll have a baseline for comparison. Now I've used the pihers in other builds and even used them on the cathodes of that latest quad 6V6 build and I'm quite fond of them. I think those Pihers are a perect fit for a 102.

As part of my HV build redo I'm ditching the PEC and will be replacing them with USA made A-B, TVT CTS and reg CTS pots. I would love to get the older CTS pots but it's hard to find the exact models. I've been looking for basket case SF Fender amps just so I can get the pots.

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Maybe we should consider getting them made with the correct taper. I would love to be in on that.
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jelle wrote:Maybe we should consider getting them made with the correct taper. I would love to be in on that.
40 folks @ 25 of each value could make it happen. The pricing on the Alphas would be attractive.

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Jelle
I am not so sure if it's only the taper or the type carbon they use on the trace that gives those older CTS's there Mojo.. (for lack of a better word. :D) Probably a little of both.
I am doing some experiments on this now..

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Thanks for the reply.. I agree I believe those Piher's will be a nice fit for a 102.. Keep me posted on your results and I'll do the same..

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talbany wrote:Jelle
I am not so sure if it's only the taper or the type carbon they use on the trace that gives those older CTS's there Mojo.. (for lack of a better word. :D) Probably a little of both.

Tony
Tony, rather than drift this further I'll start a thread on pots; composition, tapers and strategic location.

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Re: Metal Films in a 183

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ToneMerc wrote:
talbany wrote:Jelle
I am not so sure if it's only the taper or the type carbon they use on the trace that gives those older CTS's there Mojo.. (for lack of a better word. :D) Probably a little of both.

Tony
Tony, rather than drift this further I'll start a thread on pots; composition, tapers and strategic location.

Mike
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I agree this topic has been discussed here many times and IMHO can be searched for instead of going back down this road..

All The Best!

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Re: Metal Films in a 183

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ToneMerc wrote:
I concur how sensitive it is and I found that RG400 coax in the loop in conjunction with the D'Lator makes a world of difference.

TM
I get confused by how many different designations there are for shielded coax cable.

For instance, the white Teflon stuff I got from Apex Jr., I don't have a clue what that stuff is.
I think the last I got from him is 18 ga center, the center insulation is a little different than I'm used to as it is sort of brown color.
What I love about the Teflon coax is that it doesn't melt back when soldering if you happen to get it too hot.
When I measured the length of it on a cap meter it works out to be around 35pf/ ft.

Is this stuff like what you have TM?
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ToneMerc wrote:
I concur how sensitive it is and I found that RG400 coax in the loop in conjunction with the D'Lator makes a world of difference.

TM
I get confused by how many different designations there are for shielded coax cable.

Is this stuff like what you have TM?
Tom this is the RG400; each cable is around 7 feet, so around 14' in the loop I use.

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So that has a clear jacket?

Does it have a stranded center conductor?

And finally, are these the cables to and from the amp to Dumbleator or from your effects to your Dumbleator?


I see on your amp you have the pots labeled with their true values.

On the bass pot, what did the 308K originally start as?

I ordered a couple 300K pots and they were both under valued at around 285K.
I was trying to get closer to the #183 value....
I also tried scraping a pot but all that did was cause me to throw it in the garbage can.
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Structo wrote:So that has a clear jacket?

Does it have a stranded center conductor?

And finally, are these the cables to and from the amp to Dumbleator or from your effects to your Dumbleator?


I see on your amp you have the pots labeled with their true values.

On the bass pot, what did the 308K originally start as?

I ordered a couple 300K pots and they were both under valued at around 285K.
I was trying to get closer to the #183 value....
I also tried scraping a pot but all that did was cause me to throw it in the garbage can.
Translucent tan, quad shield, stranded center

From amp's S/R>D'lator

308K and I had to go through a few. FWIW, if you look at the way bass pot is wired which is as a voltage divider, I don't think there's much tangible difference in a 23K delta.

Tom, there's an art to scraping of which I have yet to figure out and how to not ruin three to make one. :)

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Re: Metal Films in a 183

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Yeah, I agree the bass pot is a voltage divider with a 10K tail.

My problem is that I would like more adjustment out of it.

If I get much above 9:00 it's too much bass.
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Structo wrote:So that has a clear jacket?

Does it have a stranded center conductor?

And finally, are these the cables to and from the amp to Dumbleator or from your effects to your Dumbleator?
FYI, each patch cable has almost 250pf of capacitance.

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Yes, so your cable is also about 35pf/ ft.

Do you run effects in your loop and if so, what cabling do you use to and from those?
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