Speaker cabinet choices

[Fischerman]

I notice a lot of ported cabs get used with ODS amps. I noticed that HRM vs. non-HRM seem to do best with different speakers so I assume the same might be true for the cabinet?

So what is generally considered a really good fit for an amp with Skyliner EQ, HRM, BM PI values and EL34s? I thought I had read that the G12-65 was a great match for HRM and I've been wanting to try them. Maybe a Port City 2x12? Or one of the Thiele cabs?

I have a Weber California that I could use as one of the speakers (or THE speaker if it's a 1x12).

Any help appreciated. I don't want to start tweeking until I'm using the right speakers/cabinet...right now I'm using a Stone Age OS 2x12 (~3/4 closed and ~1/4 open back) with Scumback H75s (this cab is for my Express-ish amp).

[glasman]

Maybe Dogears will have input, he owns every cabinet known to man.

Gary

[Funkalicousgroove]

There is no "Right Cabinet" Just use what you like the sound of.

Sonny Landreth gets AMAZING tone out of his Dumble through an oversize Boogie Cabinet loaded with Vintage 30's, Larry Carlton uses a ported 1x12 with an EV, Robben tends to use an open back 2x12 with G12 65's.

To my ears EV's are too "Stiff" V-30's are too "Coney" and G12-65's are too "Scooped", But all three guys mentioned above get AMAZING tones.

I prefer an oval port 2x12 with an Emminence Tonker and an Emminence Swamp Thang, and I like it with both HRM and non HRM amps.

You really should try a couple things and see what you like, A friend that I built an amp for a while ago SWEARS by his Bogner 4x12 loaded with Greenbacks.

[glasman]

4x12 YEAH....

I have a 4x12 with Emi Wizards that just sounds unbelievable.

I also have a 4x12 with V30's that sounds very good with these amps. (I will now be labelled a heretic ).

I will make a comment. I have seen a lot of comments about using the G12H65's in vented cabinets. I would be a bit worried about this due to the limited Xmax (linear excursion) parameter of the G12 speaker. It is very possible you could rip the cone suspension up on the speaker when you start pushing the volume and are playing near the port frequency. Just my 2 cents.

In my opinion for a vented cabinet, the speaker must have at a minimum, +/- 3mm Xmax. This is based on my experience of building PA and Bass cabinets for the past 25 years.

Gary

[Funkalicousgroove]

Now that I've heard a couple real Dumbles through V30's I don't think you're a Heretic at all, they just need to be in the right cabinet.

[Fischerman]

Thanks for the responses.

I have a Mojo 4x12 with 2 each Emi Wizards and 2 each G12H30...it's pretty bright (even with that thick wheat colored weave) but it does sound really good with the right amp (like my XTC homebrew). lol, I haven't even played my new D-brew through it. I also have a JCM900 4x12 with 2 each V30 and 2 each CL80 but that cab never sounds that great. I have another 2x12 Bluesbreaker-style cabinet with 2 each Emi RWBs but it's a 4ohm cab and my amp only has 8 and 16 ohm taps (still sounds good but a little honky/nasally...the lost bandwidth from the impedance mismatch might be the culprit there though).

[skyboltone]

There is no "Right Cabinet" Just use what you like the sound of. I prefer an oval port 2x12 with an Emminence Tonker and an Emminence Swamp Thang, and I like it with both HRM and non HRM amps.

Funk, would you mind expounding a little on this one. The reason I ask is that I had the great misfortune to buy a 10" Swamp Demon which has to be about the darkest speaker ever made. I want to pair it with something to balance it out, preferably a 12".

What do the two speakers you use contribute to your overall tone.

Dan

[Funkalicousgroove]

The Swamp Thang is a 12" speaker and it is kind of dark and bassy, the Tonker is really bright and crispy, they really balance eachother out.

I also like the weber Michigan alot.

Most companies that make speakers provide frequency response characteristics and thiele Small Paramater specs.

[skyboltone]

Thanks B:
I'll throw him in there with a Tonker or such like. I wonder how he'd like living in the same cab with an Altec 8C? Hmmmm

[Funkalicousgroove]

With a paper Cap the 417 Altec is one of my ALL TIME FAVORITES!!

[skyboltone]

With a paper Cap the 417 Altec is one of my ALL TIME FAVORITES!!

I got one......16 ohms. I'm thinking about an 8 ohm recone. My 417-C does cone cry. I got two 418s that both need cones.

Come to think of it an 8 ohm and a 16 ohm is 5.333 (edit) ohms anyway. Probably couldn't tell. I'll try it.

[heisthl]

Come to think of it an 8 ohm and a 16 ohm is 5.333 (edit) ohms anyway. Probably couldn't tell. I'll try it.

You could tell - the 8 ohm would be much louder unless it's a lot less efficient.

[skyboltone]

Come to think of it an 8 ohm and a 16 ohm is 5.333 (edit) ohms anyway. Probably couldn't tell. I'll try it.

You could tell - the 8 ohm would be much louder unless it's a lot less efficient.

Thanks Heisthl, IIRC they're both about 98db.