My ears love the EVM-12L, but my back can't take it.

[ER]

My bass player had two of the boogie 606 type cabs with EV's they sounded great, don't be afraid to try the 806 with Bass as well, I don't know why there's some some unwritten taboo about using 12" speakers with bass. I use two 12l in a 4-12 cab (bottom 2 holes open) for bass, and it sounds really good with 130 watts into each EV. I wouldn't try it with a 5 string, but it works nice for 4 with a reasonable drummer. Both the 606 and the detuned 412 are much more open and clear than the typical overstuffed inefficient round port fart tone cabinets out there today.

For a while I had the boogie label 80w celestions in a full stack, they sounded so-so but I ended up switching over to 2 806 W/ the EV's and never looked back (maybe one of the few times switching to EV's saved me weight). When I was looking like you are for speakers again I just remembered how nothing sounded as clear and powerful as the EV's in my combos, in the 806's, and the 4-10's and they never let me down no matter what abuse I threw at them.

This is compared to Eminence in combos, celestion (marshall cab & boogie stack), and fender jensens, JBL, and CTS, and Hiwatt Fanes.

The jensens and fanes sound great but are kind of a one trick pony, fanes for rock and jensens for blues. Vintage jensens have trouble surviving any kind of abuse (and JBLs for that matter), and fanes are pricey and hard to find.

I think the aluminum dome and 4" voice coil on the JBL 12's are problematic in a guitar speaker, with the 15's not so much, but still not perfect or as robust as the EV equivalents.

The smaller voice coil, paper dome, power handling, efficiency, and frequency range of the 12L make it about the perfect guitar speaker. If you know you already prefer them go with your gut.

Just be glad we don't play a B3.

Of course my next build will be taking the weight to tone factor to the extreme, a twin 100W dumble walnut combo w EV's. I won't have to worry about anyone running off with that one!

Oh yeah I forgot to mention back in the punk rock days, you sure could move a lot of gear on a skateboard! I remember gigs in S.F. where you'd have to park blocks away and "riding" my gear to the clubs like a scooter. Always good to have in the trunk for breakdowns, running out of gas, to much to drink, etc.

-ER

[Structo]

I had a 212 that had a Vintage 30 and a CL80 in it that I thought sounded pretty decent with my ODS.
But I like the EVM's better.

@ Lefty, if at all possible try to find a TL806 to play through before you go to the effort of building one.
I know a lot of guys like them with Mesa's but when I tried one with my D amp it just had too much bottom.
They do work well for bass.

Ultimately what worked best for me was my old Vox 212 that I bought when I was a teenager for $35.
It's about the size of a AC30 and weighs a ton, especially with the EVM 12L's in it but it sure sounds better than anything I tried.
And unlike a lot of Vox cabs this one is solid plywood, not particle board.
Sitting on end, the head cab fits perfectly.

I saw Steve Kimock uses/ used a similar cab at some point.

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This is mine:

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[butwhatif]

Get some good quality 3" wheels, you'll be glad u did. I have a 12L in a combo, and a second 12L in a ported ex cab, what a sound.

[Mill Creek Audio]

I'll see your 3" and raise you an inch to 4! With good 4" wheels on my gear I can roll through parking lots that are gravel or rock!

[doveman]

My solution is to just use a 1x12 with an EVM12L in it. Cab is reasonable.

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I have a 2x10 for the Tweed and a 2x12 for the D'Lite with lighter speakers. But now every head or cab is a reasonable weight. Much better.

[Mikka]

Hi,

I like the EVM-12L tone and because it is very efficient and can drive 200W only one in a good cab can make the job very well.

Tonker, G12-65 and Tonespotter (sounds very close to de 12-65) are great speakers imho but don't sound like EV at all !

For a lighter weight and less expensive choice you can try the Eminence Red White and Blues which sound very close to the EVM-12L imho !

Just compare the curves !

[Bob-I]

Milks, I've had both evm and red white and blues, they're not even close. Even the graphs are very different.

[LeftyStrat]

I think I may experiment with carbon fiber or a carbon fiber/kevlar hybrid over some 1/2" and 1/4" MDF, and compare that to the strength and weight of 3/4" MDF.

With the carbon fiber and resin, it eliminates the problems of humidity and MDF. Perhaps the added strength would allow thinner MDF and hence be lighter.