Liverpool presence noise...

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Tubetwang
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Liverpool presence noise...

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Just finished me new Liverpool...

Greaaatttt amp but...

I get a loud noise when presence knob hits full tilt, say around 9... :oops:

Amp sounds poifect before 9 on the presence knob...:roll:

Folowed CeriaTone's layout ...had am reception...installed 33K on V1 pin 7 to clean it up...

Any thoughts? :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Can you post a pic of the presence control?
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there y'a go
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Are you using an insulated output jack? If so, reverse the feedback wire. Just a guess. The other one is to double check the size of your feedback resistor. Too small makes for too much NFB and "pumping" or "motor boating"

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It looks like you have your .1 and your PI tail resistor (39k) going to ground. There should be a 4.7k (I use a 5.1k) from the 39K to ground.
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Dan,
i use a 100K feedback resistor on an insulated jack.

I will reverse the wire and report back.

Dana,
pic is low rez, here's a higher rez...
.1uf is going to 39K and i have 4.7K from 39K to ground.
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I have the same issue with my Liverpool, and I can tell you it is more than likely your NFB lead dress. I have run mine in various dress trying to get the NFB to not react with the powertube grid leads and have had issues in every configuration. I am now going to replace the NFB lead with shielded cable.

From my understanding, and it didn't work in mine quite right, is that the NFB lead needs to be run underneath the board tight against the chassis as far from the power tube grid leads. Run it to the back of the chassis then to the impedance switch. I've got mine behaving nicely as long as you don't dial the NFB back to far. My hopes are that proper dress and shielding will solve it.
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Dan,

i reverse the wire and it helped...but i still get a hiss when the presence is dimed ..Thanks for the tip!!!

Dartanion...

i think you are right about the neg feedback wire... I will have a go at your suggestion tomorrow...

I've been building this amp for the last 3 days...not going to mother-in-law Christmas souper :roll: :oops: :roll:

I had many issues on this build... managed to fix them except this one...The Express and Liverpool seem to be high strung amps, really sensitive...I like them a lot!

I will get a shave, shower and spend some family time and report back tomorrow for the record.

Thanks for the help!
You guys are great!! 8)
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Some simple suggestions:

1. Put it in the headcab. My Express did this when not shielded.
2. Move it off the speaker cab.
3. Move the grid wire going to the volume pot around.
4. Step away from the amp!

Good luck!
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Re: Liverpool presence noise...

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dartanion wrote:I have the same issue with my Liverpool, and I can tell you it is more than likely your NFB lead dress. I have run mine in various dress trying to get the NFB to not react with the powertube grid leads and have had issues in every configuration. I am now going to replace the NFB lead with shielded cable.

From my understanding, and it didn't work in mine quite right, is that the NFB lead needs to be run underneath the board tight against the chassis as far from the power tube grid leads. Run it to the back of the chassis then to the impedance switch. I've got mine behaving nicely as long as you don't dial the NFB back to far. My hopes are that proper dress and shielding will solve it.
Problem solved!!! :roll: :D

Did shield the feedback wire and ran it under the board per Dartanion's recommendation... :roll:

I can now dime the presence knob.
Noise is goner... :roll:

Thanks to Dana, Dartanion, Skyboltone and Keithrick for back-up !!!:D :D :D

My wife and 12 year old just left for a 3 day ski trip down at Mother-in-Law.

I'm all alone in the house with my strats/tele/express/liverpool/18/5c3...:oops:

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