Liverpool opinions please

[Gibsonman63]

I have been talking to a friend about a Liverpool build. He really wants reverb. Which would be the best option and why?

A. Spring reverb
B. Effects loop
C. Some type of reverb between the guitar and amp.

...talk amongst yourselves.

[Jana]

Boss RV5 reverb pedal between guitar and amp.

[xtian]

Digital reverb. I like Line 6. Quiet and flexible.

[pablogt]

How about installing one of these http://torresengineering.stores.yahoo.n ... utkit.html for a wet/dry rig and sending the speaker emulated output to a reverb stomp and then to PA? That's what I am going to try it in my K50 build...

Pablo

[Bob S]

For a beast like a Liverpool I agree with Pablo.
Line out - reverb (tc g sharp) into a clean amp.
Works good for delay / echo too.

[fishy]

Didn't Ginger have a line out......

[Gibsonman63]

Thanks for the suggestions, gents. I am a bit leary of Torres after seeing a few gutshots of his handywork, but he has been at it for quite a while.

[geetarpicker]

Wet dry rig is the best IMHO with a Liverpool or Express. There is so much gain with these amps that reverb into the front end 1) get's very noisy with just about any reverb pedal, and 2) get's very washed out most of the time because of the high gain distortion. An effect loop is a little better, but still these amps have so much distortion happening in the output stage reverb just turns into a noisy messy wash.

A wet/dry rig however is absolutely stellar with these amps, and can be done in a way that doesn't compromise the dry tones at all. A cool way to add reverb would be to simply tap off the speaker line to creat a line level signal, perhaps padding it down to guitar pedal level, you also hook up the dry cab straight to the amp as usual and/or attenuate it some. Then you could use a TC Electronics (Toneprint) Hall of Fame pedal reverb, which has a kill dry function so that when you bypass it the wet cab would go silent and not bleed any extra dry. The Killdry function is critical to have IF you need to bypass the effects, plus the ability to have the effect output only a wet signal. The TC Toneprint pedals have both of these esoteric options which make them great for this purpose. Anyway, then you reamp the TC pedal with a small power amp into a guitar 1x12. Another option is IF you can find a device to get you a speaker emulated line signal off the amp (perhaps using a H&K redbox, Palmer speaker sim, etc.) you could reamp the reverb with a powered PA monitor.

Personally I run a Faustine Phantom for my wet dry rig which has a speaker emulated line out, then that goes x2 TC Toneprint pedal plus a Timeline delay, then into a mixer to combine all the signals and then reamped with a QSC K10 monitor. My 4x12 for dry runs straight off the attenuator so I'm NOT reamping the dry signal only the wet. A little bit complicated, but you might not need the mixer for just a reverb pedal unless you need to boost the level if you power amp needs it. You could also run a rack mount reverb, Lexicon's are killer in Wet/Dry setups.

[pablogt]

I was planning to use one of these

http://www.lehle.com/products/frameset_ ... Parallel_M

to use reverb and delay on the wet side. I will use an stereo reverb to divide wet and dry signals, sending the dry signal to a delay with kill dry and then joining both reverb and delay wet-only signals with the Parallel M and into the PA. Thay way you don't need a mixer on your pedalboard, just another pedal. Actually, you could call it a mixer-in-a-pedal.

Pablo

[pablogt]

I just got the "Cabinet Voiced" Line Out Kit from Torres engineering. It consists of two resistors forming a voltage divider between the speaker out positive side and ground and a cap bypassing the ground side. And then in their instructions they state "This circuit is copyrighten....." What a joke!

Pablo

[Reeltarded]

A good one though!

[Doug H]

A real simple quick&dirty way of doing wet-dry with a reverb or delay is to split your signal in two: send one to the Wreck and the other to a small clean satellite amp. Put the verb/delay on the input of the satellite amp. (Some pedals have a dry output jack for this purpose. In that case run the wet side to the satellite amp and the dry side to the Wreck.) Turn up the verb real "wet" so only the delayed signal gets sent to the satellite amp. Physically space out the cabinets for stereo image etc.