Ive loved the sound of a trainwreck since my friend brought a clone to band practice a few years back. it just sounded so sweet. we were playing rock back then and it fit perfectly. but i was wondering if anyone has experience using one to play the fast gallops and intricate riffs of metal. i really want to bring a new sound out in this band and was wondering if the amp could get me there, without being ear-blisteringly loud.
O and we are also in B Standard Tuning
Hobbs
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiCldbmWUTU
thats the band i am working with
Can Metal Be Played On a Wreck
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yes and no..
It is very musical and if you play sloppy it will show. so it leans toward the dynamic forgiveness of a solid state Randell or Metaltronix. however it's stock drive is not going to go hi gain. Some take pedals better then others it's all about impedance.
... Yes you can... however it's going to have a blues rock taste. If you listen to as many audio clips as you can. you will notice that depending on how the amp is played it will sound better. IMHO most sound best as a rock blues amp. I hate to say these next two words.."brian adams" is about as rock/metal as these amps want to naturally get. the rest is forced.
Metallica have a TW in the amp locker, however it's used as a strum and lead not as the chugga chugga Wow amp.
..... so no you can't ...
based on your clip I'd use a MAtamp, Orange, Hiwatt or Sound city and add pedals.
It is very musical and if you play sloppy it will show. so it leans toward the dynamic forgiveness of a solid state Randell or Metaltronix. however it's stock drive is not going to go hi gain. Some take pedals better then others it's all about impedance.
... Yes you can... however it's going to have a blues rock taste. If you listen to as many audio clips as you can. you will notice that depending on how the amp is played it will sound better. IMHO most sound best as a rock blues amp. I hate to say these next two words.."brian adams" is about as rock/metal as these amps want to naturally get. the rest is forced.
Metallica have a TW in the amp locker, however it's used as a strum and lead not as the chugga chugga Wow amp.
..... so no you can't ...
based on your clip I'd use a MAtamp, Orange, Hiwatt or Sound city and add pedals.
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Haha Awesome,
Thanks, thats what i am feeling. i have heard alot of sound clips and with the power brake they seem to go a bit hi gain at lower volumes. the recording i posted was of the old guitarist. i am very particular about my playing and do strive for consistent picking. i figured a pedal in front "Might" work. id like to not do that to the amp though, considering it does shape alot of tone before the amp. which i don't want. i love the tone. id hate to turn a dist. pedal on for rhythm parts and off for solos. but i guess ill have to make due.
ive contacted RJ Guitars with my questions as well, i am going to see what he can come up with to fit my needs as well. i just want clearity especially live. where it counts to me. i hate going to see a band and all i hear is a mush of distortion kick drum and cymbals....o theres a singer in there somewhere. ya know?
ive contacted RJ Guitars with my questions as well, i am going to see what he can come up with to fit my needs as well. i just want clearity especially live. where it counts to me. i hate going to see a band and all i hear is a mush of distortion kick drum and cymbals....o theres a singer in there somewhere. ya know?
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sounds like you are going to wrong venues 
Something to keep in mind about TW they have almost NO, ZERO! low end. They hi pass around 400hz @ -6db. This makes for a very thin bottom... However it also makes the amp naturally cut thru a mix and fits where most amps would muddy. However if you are playing heavy, death rock it's going to leave your band mates saying. "WTF Mate.. where's the Balls?" Soldano Decatone and SLO are another example of hi pass filtered amps. Without a supporting Bottom they sound thin.
You may find you have to run multiple amps to achive your tone. mix and match. TW for the bite and highs, Hiwatt for the clean lows.
Speaker selection will make a huge difference in the amps break up and tone.
Just throwing it out, you may also like an Ampeg V4.
Something to keep in mind about TW they have almost NO, ZERO! low end. They hi pass around 400hz @ -6db. This makes for a very thin bottom... However it also makes the amp naturally cut thru a mix and fits where most amps would muddy. However if you are playing heavy, death rock it's going to leave your band mates saying. "WTF Mate.. where's the Balls?" Soldano Decatone and SLO are another example of hi pass filtered amps. Without a supporting Bottom they sound thin.
You may find you have to run multiple amps to achive your tone. mix and match. TW for the bite and highs, Hiwatt for the clean lows.
Speaker selection will make a huge difference in the amps break up and tone.
Just throwing it out, you may also like an Ampeg V4.
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HAHA this could most definitely be true. theres alot of factors there.
and wow i didnt realize that about it having so much cut on the low end. The Soldano SLO is an amp that is seen often in a few of my favorite bands. and they do cut the way i like as well. we could always beef up the bassist a bit. he sits way in the back as it is. i think its his turn to step forward a bit. mayb give him some breathing room haha.
i am running a distortion box into a Fender Super Twin Reverb thru a Marshall 68 Mojotone Marshall Clone with V30s in it.now that you mention it i could split that cab with a wreck clone for that low end like your saying.
One More Question. if i put an eq pedal before the amp and boost the low end, will it come thru? or is it completely hi cut?
and wow i didnt realize that about it having so much cut on the low end. The Soldano SLO is an amp that is seen often in a few of my favorite bands. and they do cut the way i like as well. we could always beef up the bassist a bit. he sits way in the back as it is. i think its his turn to step forward a bit. mayb give him some breathing room haha.
i am running a distortion box into a Fender Super Twin Reverb thru a Marshall 68 Mojotone Marshall Clone with V30s in it.now that you mention it i could split that cab with a wreck clone for that low end like your saying.
One More Question. if i put an eq pedal before the amp and boost the low end, will it come thru? or is it completely hi cut?
Re: Can Metal Be Played On a Wreck
The hi pass filtering is in the circuit design so putting a low end boost will only over load the input signal causing early squarewave clipping and mud. Or it wont matter at all. now any frequency that is not cut i.e. 400hz + will boost. so the mud in the 480hz-800hz will step forward and muffle the top end most likely smearing the clearity.
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Ahhhh, good to know. Hmm well im still interested in it none the less. I do alot of clean and delay stuff in my side project and its mostly prog rock so im sire the amp will get some use. Any idea which model i should go with for the build though. I still would be looking for something that breaks up easiest and more rock esk
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Ron Worley, the guy that did the layouts in the file section among lot of other things for TAG built this Express check out the clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IoVQlUOPx0
Wreckboy with his original Express Blues tone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlLD6gEA ... re=related
In the TW files section these music files used an original TW
https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.php?t=6195
Glen's video original TW Express http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-yEuKTLlr0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IoVQlUOPx0
Wreckboy with his original Express Blues tone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlLD6gEA ... re=related
In the TW files section these music files used an original TW
https://tubeamparchive.com/viewtopic.php?t=6195
Glen's video original TW Express http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-yEuKTLlr0
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Wow man, very clean. No noise too. I like it. Which model is it. And whats the difference between the three?
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Im sure these questions have been answered, but also what is TAG
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NVM I ANSWERED MY OWN QUESTION WHEN I READ THE FORUM NAME
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I only linked Express examples but the Liverpool would work just as well.
The Rocket is more chimey lot less gain and a great pedal platform amp.
Mark
The Rocket is more chimey lot less gain and a great pedal platform amp.
Mark
Re: Can Metal Be Played On a Wreck
To add to what Mark said, I built a Liverpool variant. I play what would be considered progressive rock/metal in the vein of Exivious/Rush/Tool where there is emphasis on riff oriented but melodic parts often in odd meter. Chords are wide intervals. I need a sound that is both high gain but maintains definition and separation.
The Liverpool has that in spades. Totally unexpected and I am blown away by how good it sounds. I play 7 strings primarily so amplifying the 7th string (low B) and lower register chords while keeping them tight, defined, and not mushy is a priority. The sound I'm getting is kind of a reminiscent of early Van Halen and Alex Lifeson (ca 1981 Moving Pictures). It's just killer. No, I would not say that it is similar to the super-scooped chugga tones of today's metal, math-metal, grindcore, death, or other genres. However I have not tried a drop-C tuning either so can't really comment. I have a feeling that it would be pretty cool though.
SelloutRR is right in that the Trainwreck tone is very musical. There is a melodic and harmonic richness I just haven't experienced with other amps and it is very inspiring. The compression is fantastic and suits exactly the kind of sound I've been chasing for years. Some amps seem to be very dry sounding where you don't "feel" much under your fingers. The TW power supply gives a wonderful spongey feeling under the fingers that lets you play very lightly while still getting the power out so you don't have to beat the guitar to death to get the sound out. The attack is very fast however so it hits fast when you do. Sellout is also dead on in saying that the Trainwreck topology is very unforgiving of poor technique. I love that about it and it will make you a better player if you embrace it and work with it. Some guys might not like this honesty however.
I am building a Liverpool and Express to run in stereo for the best features of both and a more complex sound. My Liverpool build has a surprising amount of low end, huge punchy bass that is tight. Trainwrecks are sensitive to the guitar's wood, pickups, everything really. I have a PRS Singlecut which I do not really care for through the Liverpool. I find the 245 pickups to be rather boorish and too loud. I am using Dimarzio PAF7s in my 7 strings (basswood bodies) and the sound is the best I've heard (for my preferences). I love Allan Holdsworth and have taken cues from him as far as pickup selection and other technical choices to getting one's sound. Trainwrecks are real chameleons and are very sensitive to everything in front of them.
Just some thoughts.
The Liverpool has that in spades. Totally unexpected and I am blown away by how good it sounds. I play 7 strings primarily so amplifying the 7th string (low B) and lower register chords while keeping them tight, defined, and not mushy is a priority. The sound I'm getting is kind of a reminiscent of early Van Halen and Alex Lifeson (ca 1981 Moving Pictures). It's just killer. No, I would not say that it is similar to the super-scooped chugga tones of today's metal, math-metal, grindcore, death, or other genres. However I have not tried a drop-C tuning either so can't really comment. I have a feeling that it would be pretty cool though.
SelloutRR is right in that the Trainwreck tone is very musical. There is a melodic and harmonic richness I just haven't experienced with other amps and it is very inspiring. The compression is fantastic and suits exactly the kind of sound I've been chasing for years. Some amps seem to be very dry sounding where you don't "feel" much under your fingers. The TW power supply gives a wonderful spongey feeling under the fingers that lets you play very lightly while still getting the power out so you don't have to beat the guitar to death to get the sound out. The attack is very fast however so it hits fast when you do. Sellout is also dead on in saying that the Trainwreck topology is very unforgiving of poor technique. I love that about it and it will make you a better player if you embrace it and work with it. Some guys might not like this honesty however.
I am building a Liverpool and Express to run in stereo for the best features of both and a more complex sound. My Liverpool build has a surprising amount of low end, huge punchy bass that is tight. Trainwrecks are sensitive to the guitar's wood, pickups, everything really. I have a PRS Singlecut which I do not really care for through the Liverpool. I find the 245 pickups to be rather boorish and too loud. I am using Dimarzio PAF7s in my 7 strings (basswood bodies) and the sound is the best I've heard (for my preferences). I love Allan Holdsworth and have taken cues from him as far as pickup selection and other technical choices to getting one's sound. Trainwrecks are real chameleons and are very sensitive to everything in front of them.
Just some thoughts.
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Wow man. Thanks, sounds like the liverpool is the way to go. Do you have any clips with the seven string you could share, about how much did it cost you to build, and did you build it from a kit.
Sorry i have tons of questions about this.
Also i started a post in the tech discussion area. I am an instrument tech, with alot of experience ans alot of curiousity. So far i put up my black belt secrets on setup. Some of them that is
. So if you want, go check it out. It may help get a bit more feeling out of your guitar. And mayb we can trade some info on the 2 subjects more, id love to learn amp building. And ive got alot of info on guitar craft
Sorry i have tons of questions about this.
Also i started a post in the tech discussion area. I am an instrument tech, with alot of experience ans alot of curiousity. So far i put up my black belt secrets on setup. Some of them that is
. So if you want, go check it out. It may help get a bit more feeling out of your guitar. And mayb we can trade some info on the 2 subjects more, id love to learn amp building. And ive got alot of info on guitar craftRe: Can Metal Be Played On a Wreck
Colossal will post I'm sure but in the mean time I know that he built his Liverpool from scratch, his own designs not from a kit.
A kit is a great way to build one and usually the cost for completed amp without head cabinet can be anywhere from $600-$800 or even less if your very resourceful.
Try www.rjguitars.net for a kit or
PM allynmey the owner of this forum he can supply chassis, transformers, components or kits.
Mark
A kit is a great way to build one and usually the cost for completed amp without head cabinet can be anywhere from $600-$800 or even less if your very resourceful.
Try www.rjguitars.net for a kit or
PM allynmey the owner of this forum he can supply chassis, transformers, components or kits.
Mark