Fane speakers + Bright Express

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Fane speakers + Bright Express

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Just a quick comment on using Fane speakers with my express build.

Background
I’ve struggled with my express build being too bright, to where I usually set the treble and mid controls at around 9 o’clock, or lower. At first I thought that I had an issue with my build and thus replaced the tone caps twice, replaced all pots with pec; completely rewired the preamp section three times, and the power section twice (ended up with solid core 99% pure copper hookup wire). The solid-core copper wire really did darken it a bit. In all, the amp sounds great; it’s just too bright when the treble and mid are engaged too much. Interestingly, I use the 100pf bright cap setting. I find that it adds the correct amount of air/sparkle to the tone. 500pf hurts. Without using any bright cap, it’s too dull from around the 2k frequency and up. Turning up the treble and/or mid pots (without the bright cap) only adds harsh upper mids while not affecting any of the higher frequencies. Hope that makes sense. So, my usual setting for this amp is: 100pf bright cap, treble 9oclock, mid 9oclock, bass 12oclock, and presence is off. With the added Lar-Mar MV, I set the volume around 11oclock and the MV around 12:30-1:00 oclock.

Fanes
This past weekend a friend allowed me to borrow his 2x12 oval-back avatar cab loaded with a Studio 12L, and a Medusa 150. What a great combination. It’s definitely quite a bit darker sounding than my 2x12 closed-back Scumback M-75’s. They are thick and chunky. Think heavy dark roast as opposed to a breakfast blend. You can tell I live in the Northwest (coffee snob of sorts). They’re not so dark that the upper frequencies are masked. No, they’re simply softened and sweetened a bit. To my ears the Fanes are a much better match with my express amp. I enjoyed it so much that I took that setup to my church gig this weekend. The senior tech dude had nothing but compliments about the tone; and he showed my were he set the EQ on my channel. He high-passed around 120hz, scooped a touch at around 530hz, and from there up the EQ was set flat. Pretty cool. That proved to me that even when micing (the Medusa in this case), the speakers are big, dark, and rich, with no ice-pick in the forehead. :)

Anyway, just thought I’d share a bit about the Fane speakers, and offer them as a great option for any amp that needs some darkening. :) Below are some low-fi pics from my iPhone at the venue.
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Great info Ron,

I would imagine that those high effiency speakers added extended ranges not possible with the other cabinet to get more clean and greater volume.

I need some fanes for a Hiwatt DR103 build too. I could use for the Express and Hiwatt.

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M Fowler wrote:Great info Ron,

I would imagine that those high effiency speakers added extended ranges not possible with the other cabinet to get more clean and greater volume.

I need some fanes for a Hiwatt DR103 build too. I could use for the Express and Hiwatt.

Mark
Yeah. Their alnico AXA is excellent with a rocket type circuit too.
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Been trying to tell the Dumbell guys this too, but only a few[or one know] have tried them or use them. Just don't know what they are missing.
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Richie wrote:Been trying to tell the Dumbell guys this too, but only a few[or one know] have tried them or use them. Just don't know what they are missing.
I tried so many speakers with my Brown Note D'lite and found that I liked the Fane Axiom Alnico the best ... quite the improvement from a celestion gold in a 1x12 cabinet. When I need more bottom end I use the 2x12 that Rawnster is using for his express. It's a big sounding cab but keeps a lot of note articulation. They are the best speakers I have tried but that's just one guitarist's opinion.
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I loaded an old Hiwatt cab with two AXA's and two Medusa 150's, it sounds awesome! Phil
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philmanatee wrote:I loaded an old Hiwatt cab with two AXA's and two Medusa 150's, it sounds awesome! Phil
Interesting ... that was going to be our next experiment with the 2x12 since I have an AXA in my 1x12 and another in a combo amp. We will have to check that out with a closed back panel to see if we can get equally awesome results.
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using a ppimv will brighten the amp up a lot since your not getting the power section involved . The pre amp of the express cuts a lot of bass from the signal to keep the power section in check when it's clipping. Without the power section on full tilt the pre amp is way too bright.
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If your going to use a ppimv either change the pi output caps to 0.1uf or alternatively change the 2.2nf cap to 10nf . . Both affect the tone but in different ways find which you like.
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I dig the fanes. Work well with the Dumble style amps, IMHO. I'm sure they work with most amps. :D
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JamesHealey wrote:If your going to use a ppimv either change the pi output caps to 0.1uf or alternatively change the 2.2nf cap to 10nf . . Both affect the tone but in different ways find which you like.
Hey JamesHealey, the MV is a very recent mod. I built this express over a year ago. It's always been an extremely bright amp. The MV did not add (at least to my ears) any brightness. What it did do, though, was lean out the low end a bit. And, no, I don't believe this was a result of added brightness which masked the lowend. It truly leaned out the bass a bit. Thanks for helping though. I'm greatful for any help in dulling out this amp. :-)

Maybe I should try Glen's technique and use 100ft instrument cable. :) Just kidding....
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Yes, it seems to me that the power amp is where the bass is lost. I made another amp with an express preamp on an entirely different power amp and that amp has a ton of bass; I've been dialing it back, actually. Also, just revoicing the phase inverter gets a lot more bass on the stock power amp.
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Express amp: Has anyone just removed the presence or switched it out of the circuit?
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M Fowler wrote:Express amp: Has anyone just removed the presence or switched it out of the circuit?
Not removed but I turned it always down to 0 on my Liverpool build. That takes it out virtually because then the global negative feedback affects all frequencies.

Maybe I should have tried a deep pot on my Liverpool to decouple the global negative feedback at lower frequencies a bit.
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You could always try a ceramic cap across the input jack, 150-200pf. That should knock some of the ice off. :)
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