Gibson Historic potentiometer....

[redshark]

It will be interesting to read your review Glen cause you have the centralabs to compare.

This is a pic of the pots in my heritage H150.

[katopan]

Thanks for plotting the chart Martin. Gives you a visual sense straight away.

All log pots of any taper are manufactured from two linear segments put together.

[vibratoking]

All log pots of any taper are manufactured from two linear segments put together.

The two linear segment implementation is well known. It should work just fine, if done right.

[vibratoking]

I added data for two more of the RS SuperPots. They are both just as bad as the one the Glenn posted. I will add data for the Gibson Historics in the next few days after I receive the replacements from MF.

I only have one good Historic pot in my Les Paul, but I tried it just now with my Express clone. The clean has never been so good and controllable, while the mean is great just like it always has been. These pots are the good stuff. I am actually finally hearing for myself what Glenn has been talking about all this time.

The plot preview is not very detailed. Click on it to view it correctly.

EDIT: updated plot to include Gibson Historic pot.
EDIT: updated 12/27/2011 to include all pots in this thread so far

[vibratoking]

I received, measured and installed the 2nd Gibson Historic pot today. I updated the plot in my previous post. The Historic pot is almost exactly the same the 09 R9 that Glenn posted. I would say it is the same pot.

These pots are the first and only pots that have a taper that I am happy with. Thanks for starting this thread. It got me to the right place, finally.

[redshark]

Great that it worked out for you vibratoking!!!
I started this thread because the Express and Liverpool players that want to use a humbucker guitar can benefit from changing the pots of their custom shop guitars to this new historic pot. It is bad that they only made a run with short shaft and no long shaft because the Les paul standard and the classic had been using long shaft pots for a long time.
I think SG, junior, ES and other style of Gibson and heritages and PRS will work fine with the short shaft pots.

[vibratoking]

It is bad that they only made a run with short shaft and no long shaft because the Les paul standard and the classic had been using long shaft pots for a long time.

I drilled mine out and made the short shaft fit.

[redshark]

It is bad that they only made a run with short shaft and no long shaft because the Les paul standard and the classic had been using long shaft pots for a long time.

I drilled mine out and made the short shaft fit.

Yup, I though about doing that to my Gibson LP classic but I rathered sell and bought a heritage H-150 and I think is a much better guitar than the Gibson.

[redshark]

Glen (geetarpicker)

Did you try these pots?

What are your comments?

[geetarpicker]

Glen (geetarpicker)

Did you try these pots?

What are your comments?

This week I installed a set in my '03 Historic LP, replacing the '61 Centralabs that were in there. That said, I barely have played it through an amp yet, but I should have a report by new years.

[thegrapeguy]

I am somewhat new to the "using volume knob to control gain" game. I have an '03 '59 Historic (Stinger model) that is stock. Firstly does anyone know if it has a short shaft? I'm assuming it does.

Also can anyone describe in "feel" terms the taper of the new pots to me? I have looked at the graph and it appears the new pots will start slow and then take off compared to the RS Superpots... But they also seem very similar to the tapers of the R9 09 and Gibson Historic pots. What's the difference?

[Structo]

Anybody try the DiMarzio custom taper pots from MF?

They look like CTS and are half the price of the Gibson pots.

The reviews seem good about the taper.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessor ... 6000000000

[redshark]

I wrote a little chart comparing the 59 centralab pot that Glen posted and one of this new 2010 historic pots.


Centralab --------- New 2010 historic pot
------------------- 0.2k --------------- 0
2.5 k ------------ 0.5 k ------------- 1
15 k ------------ 11.24 k ------------- 2
31k -------------- 24k ---------------- 3
44k -------------- 37.88k ----------------- 4
59k -------------- 52.68k ----------------- 5
86k --------------- 80.2k ----------------- 6
195k -------------- 175.1k ----------------- 7
326k -------------- 303.2k ----------------- 8
467k ------------- 450k ------------------- 9
499k -------------- 468k ------------------- 10

So that means the taper is very similar.......Great job Gibson and CTS!!!

[vibratoking]

I have looked at the graph and it appears the new pots will start slow and then take off compared to the RS Superpots... But they also seem very similar to the tapers of the R9 09 and Gibson Historic pots. What's the difference?

The new pot is the Gibson Historic. The Centralab, the Gibson Historic and the 09 R9 pots are all very close to the same taper and are the closest to true log. Vintage pots have the characteristic that is shown in the plot. Our hearing is not linear and the log taper compensates for that. The end result is what sounds like a smooth linear increase from 0 all the way to 10. You don't want the RS Superpot or the 06 R6.

I wrote a little chart comparing the 59 centralab pot that Glen posted and one of this new 2010 historic pots.

That is what the plot above is for. It has data for all of the pots that I tested plus the data that Glenn and others have posted in this thread. The chart above includes all the pot data in this thread.

[thegrapeguy]

Got it... I mixed them up. Does anyone know if I got the RS Superpot or the 06 R6 in my '03 Historic?