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Yes RJ that is kind of the idea. You copensate for certain things that are happening within the sound from your certain choice of components.
The only thing is there be more than one way or locations to do this to achieve the right balance you are trying to accomplish.
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Obviously you didn't read the article or you'd know where to look for the published results.
I gave the full references of the book from which the web page content was copied. What else do you need?

<SNIP> the rest of your rant.
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[components] can have a different sound to them or effect on the outcome of the sound.
Exactly: components can show non linearities that'll modify the signal, can be microphonic, can be more or less sensitive to radiated noises, etc.

But there are no subjective differences between well designe, built and used broadly similar components - for instance two tubular met poly caps with similar ratings won't be distinguishable in proper DBT, copper wire will sound the same as silver/copper wire - not that all components gave the same subjective results.
Funny back on the wire, the old fenders used the mostly solid push back wire, they went to stranded in the later years and CBS. Some using the same circuit as BF, some using the CBS stuff. :)
Fender is well known for having used different components as well as different schematics and layouts on the same models during the same timeframe. Even two amps from the same batch and bearing the same manufacturing codes can be different...
I know ceriatone has many amp models, ALL that i know of use the teflon wire.
PTFE wire is the easiest to use once you know how to properly use it. For instance 22 ga 7-strand 600V PTFE is smaller, as good as equivalent solid wire when it comes to keep a shape and is much more robust. As it's only slightly more expensive than PVC, why bother?

BTW Nik and his team do an excellent job and turn out excellent amps at more than decent prices.
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I am trying to sort our where the harshness is coming from.
If I remeber correctly, Ken's quote is in the context of the Komet, not his greatest design IMO: the amp is harsh and noisy because of it's structure and topology. Sure, a Komet can sound really nice, but in a very narrow dynamic window - an Express or a good clone is light years ahead.
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If I remeber correctly, Ken's quote is in the context of the Komet, not his greatest design IMO: the amp is harsh and noisy because of it's structure and topology. Sure, a Komet can sound really nice, but in a very narrow dynamic window - an Express or a good clone is light years ahead.
Well finally something I can argue with you about thanks :!:

The Komet 60 sounds dynamically better but not sure who's idea that amp came from :?: The presence control and cut controls work great taking off some of the darker tones (which I like). Great amp.

Thanks for bringing up such a wonderful amp The Komet.

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Do I dare ask about the differences between slotted and philips head screws and their interaction with the magnetic flux fields from the transformers?
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BTW Nik and his team do an excellent job and turn out excellent amps at more than decent prices.
Yes, they do great work, just wanted to bring up they used teflon wire on all the builds.
I didn't mean that in a bad way, just point out all the different models of amps. I've known Nik for a while now. Even repaired amps for him when he was first getting started, when something happened in shipping. I mentioned to him many times, it wasn't their fault,and tell his workers they do a top notch job.
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No Jana, it's all about the COLOR of the screws that affects the tone... :wink:
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Yes it is known that the black screws make the tone much darker. :D
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Well I know for a fact you have to have the srew heads all aligned the same or bad mojo appears.

This is serious stuff here and if any of you are not taking this serious watch out :!: Bad things may happen.
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Do I dare ask about the differences between slotted and philips head screws and their interaction with the magnetic flux fields from the transformers?
All fruitcakes agree : slotted screw heads are a must if you want to align the dissipative emotional field with an external mojo booster. They should never be used on metric-sized stainless steel chassis or with Z-mount transformers fitted with M6 lams, as they can refocus transients in a negative way.
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Exactly: components can show non linearities that'll modify the signal, can be microphonic, can be more or less sensitive to radiated noises, etc.
I agree with that. It's no different then turning a coupling cap around and it sounds different because shielding field has changed from using the inner foil or outer foil in the signal path. When I say a part sounds different it does not just mean the part itself but the reasons FYL listed above.

I guess when alot of guy's say a part sounds different it is a general statement and FYL is just more in depth about it. Lets just say when I use different parts and good or bad things happen LOL
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Richie - Hey, that website is the bomb! Thank you for linking that as I had not seen that before. You Rock! 8) 8) 8)
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heres another great site, the link takes you just to the tube part, this alone could keep you busy for weeks. then look to the left,tons of other sections,for about everything else. Good info on this site. I think it also has tube data calculator section,PTs transformer etc..

http://www.educypedia.be/electronics/tubes.htm
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