Celestion Peacemaker?

[Mark]

I noticed that Celestion has introduced the Peacemaker speaker. It has a much lower efficiency of 86dB instead of the customary 100dB. This speaker would SEEM to have Trainwreck Express all over it as they are incredibly loud.

Just a thought that might assist people.

[Matthews Guitars]

Peacekeeper, not peacemaker.

It definitely has a good reason to exist. I intend to try one out.

[Mark]

Quite correct, it’s the Peacekeeper.

I will correct my post.

https://celestion.com/product/peacekeeper/

[bcmatt]

I've watched a couple of the review videos on this. It seems like a useful tool... But the warning seems to be that it knocked off a pretty significant amount of volume... Like dialing some attenuators down to the maximum amount of attenuation.

[solderhead]

a few years back Eminence tried selling something like this -- it was actually a speaker that had a knob on the back of it and allowed you to change the relationship between the magnet and the voice coil using a big knob. It was a very smart approach to a variable attenuator. It did not sell well and they've discontinued it. Sigh.

[Mark]

a few years back Eminence tried selling something like this -- it was actually a speaker that had a knob on the back of it and allowed you to change the relationship between the magnet and the voice coil using a big knob. It was a very smart approach to a variable attenuator. It did not sell well and they've discontinued it. Sigh.

I could see that working in combos but not 4 X 12” boxes. I think they are onto something here though as it allows the 100w Marshall to be used as opposed to it being outrageously too loud.

The same goes for the Trainwreck Express, they are 35 watts, but somehow it’s the loudest 35 watts you’ve ever heard.

[solderhead]

Good point about the lack of accessibility in closed back cabs. In that context the Eminence design loses it's advantage of being adjustable. In a closed cab you're not able to frequently tweak the speaker's efficiency, and it becomes like the Celestion which has a fixed efficiency value. That's OK, as if you just want to dial back the speaker's output to enable the use of a 100W head -- just set the speaker for minimum efficiency and put it in the sealed box.

I can see where the Celestion design could work OK in a sealed enclosure, but the Eminence design could duplicate that -- just dial it back and put it in the box. the added benefit of the Eminence design was that you could access the speaker and make adjustments in an open backed cab, where with the closed back cab you're stuck with a single setting.

In some respects I think that the Eminence design was ahead of it's time and too early for the market. It didn't sell all that well and it got discontinued long before attenuators became more ubiquitous and long before reamping became popular. I think it would be a more appealing product now than it was in the past. I think they gave up on the idea too soon.

[Mark]

I don’t know what your experience with attenuators is. I have used only Weber Mass and I find it hit and miss. It’s fine on Marshall’s but not so good on Fender’s and a disaster on my 18 watt clone.

[carlsoti]

I'm just waiting for field coils to come back into vogue. Add VVR and and you can go from a whisper to WAIL with the turn of a knob.