Sourcing Transformers for Express Clone

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Re: Sourcing Transformers for Express Clone

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bluesfreak wrote:
paulster wrote:Is Ingo successfully delivering again though?
I will see, so far I haven't had any issue, got my stuff in time and as he's doing the Irons now as a hobby I recognized that it will take time before I get my stuff. However, I also know what had been through in the past.. nothing you would want to see your biggest enemy going thru... so I respect any delays and I am happy to seem him back in business.
I'll keep u updated...
On his website he writes that he moved to a larger, brighter manufacturing facility in June and that he has one person who winds transformers for him half-days. I ordered an Express set from him a few weeks ago but haven't received them yet. He replied to my emails immediately though.
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Ron Worley wrote:Toneslut may carry a 240V version too, don't know).
The Export Trannies on Toneslut are out of Stock for quite a while...However, even with the $ being so weak, it doesn't pay out for to order from the US due to high shipping costs and customs/VAT, I can get a comparable price here as well. :roll:
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bluesfreak wrote:The Export Trannies on Toneslut are out of Stock for quite a while...However, even with the $ being so weak, it doesn't pay out for to order from the US due to high shipping costs and customs/VAT, I can get a comparable price here as well. :roll:
You may be getting a comparable price but are you getting a comparable product?

Those who have strayed from the tried and tested route have ended up with nice sounding amps but not necessarily amps that sound like Trainwrecks. I think it's well worth ordering from the US to get the Heyboer/Pacific transformers and will continue to do so to get the right product. I just factor in the additional costs into the overall build cost.
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paulster wrote: You may be getting a comparable price but are you getting a comparable product?
Ingo has a huge background in winding Transformers, just search for Shinrock... and the Tranny I get will be an exact Pacific copy. Even Ken got his Trannies from different sources so what is then the Original? Heyboer, Pacific, ??? ?
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bluesfreak wrote:Ingo has a huge background in winding Transformers, just search for Shinrock... and the Tranny I get will be an exact Pacific copy. Even Ken got his Trannies from different sources so what is then the Original? Heyboer, Pacific, ??? ?
Original is what Ken used. So that's Stancor, Pacific, Dynaco and Heyboer. To my knowledge he never used Shinrock!

Unless Ingo has a Pacific to tear down or has miraculously acquired Ken's specifications for the Pacifics then the best he can do is a best guess based on publicly available information.

If you do a search for Shinrock then most of the information is about his failure to deliver product that people have paid for. He left a load of people without transformers and their money at 18watt.com and started a new business to have a fresh slate. I heard only last week of someone who's been waiting on him since September so I can only hope you fare better than these people. Regardless of the personal tragedies he has suffered you cannot justify running a business like this.

That said, his transformers if you get them are great but your claim about getting an exact copy holds no weight unless he's got the real thing to go on.
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paulster wrote: To my knowledge he never used Shinrock!
This is something I never stated... WHat I tried to say is that probably most of the Trannies used by Ken where Pacific but there have been also Amps out there with Stancor, Heyboer, etc... so what to consider the Original? The one used mostly oder the one he used in his first Expression?

paulster wrote:If you do a search for Shinrock then most of the information is about his failure to deliver product that people have paid for..
Agree,but you have to admit that mainly the negative impressions do collect in public forums, or? I have to second that so far I haven't had any issues...
On the PT I have the information that indeed a Pacific Trannie was teared down, dissected and analyzed and with no offence intended, I appreciate Ken's work, knowledge and craftmanship but he did only cook with water as all others... no magic involved...
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Hey Guys,

I have decided to pick up and supply some transformer stock in the lull of availability for Trainwreck specification trannies. I have Pacific Express sets on the shelf (120V primary only), and Heyboers are on order for the traditional clone builders. I have also got a very good alternative set of trannies from EDCOR electronics that is quite affordable and an extremely nice product.

I am trying to get a feel for the number of Euro units I need to carry and the needed voltage on those primaries.

My current plan is to make these available to the AGF builders at cost until further notice. This price gets better for all of us as the number of units I can order at one time goes up.

Appreciate your feedback in helping me learn what the AGF needs especially in the European voltages.

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Just a followup. Allynmey contacted me and I ordered a Pacifc transformer set. While I'm waiting for the brown truck for delivery, can anyone tell me the PT secondary voltages on the Pacific transformer? Are they the same as the Heyboer PT?
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Diablo

:lol: You just haven't been reading our post regarding this subject have you. :)

Allyn says his Pacific line is 260-300-0-300-260 and the same for the Heyboer HTS 5199.
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M Fowler wrote:Diablo

:lol: You just haven't been reading our post regarding this subject have you. :)

Allyn says his Pacific line is 260-300-0-300-260 and the same for the Heyboer HTS 5199.
I thought this thread would be a good place to find the voltages of the various transformer choices. Then I did a search on this forum and found the "other thread" that explains the Pacific PT gives around 392 V unloaded, and the Heyboer is maybe 10 V higher. I'm sure I'll ask plenty of other dumb questions before I finish my Express. I think I'm going to name mine a "T-Rex Excess".... :lol:
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http://livinginthepast-audioweb.co.uk/xfrmrvt1185.php
Is a perfectly suitable Mains Transformer for a Wreck, cheap as chips too.

I wouldn't skimp on the OT though I'd buy a Pacific or Heyboer.

although this is a good value OT with Trainwreck-esque specifications.
http://livinginthepast-audioweb.co.uk/xfrmrvt1041v.php
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JamesHealey wrote:http://livinginthepast-audioweb.co.uk/xfrmrvt1185.php
Is a perfectly suitable Mains Transformer for a Wreck, cheap as chips too.

I wouldn't skimp on the OT though I'd buy a Pacific or Heyboer.

although this is a good value OT with Trainwreck-esque specifications.
http://livinginthepast-audioweb.co.uk/xfrmrvt1041v.php
I'm not saying it wouldn't work, but it's only 260-0-260V and 250mA for the PT.
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OT for the express

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can you not just use a marshall 50w ot 3.4 k and missmatch it so it gives
6,8k that will be a easy solution :)
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breakfastbuddy wrote:can you not just use a marshall 50w ot 3.4 k and missmatch it so it gives
6,8k that will be a easy solution :)
Yes, I'm sure that would work fine and keep the output tubes happy. Would it sound as good as some of the other transformer choices?
Who knows, until you A-B compare them.
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Re: OT for the express

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I think the forum needs a delete button for the double posts.
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